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<blockquote data-quote="Scion" data-source="post: 1555692" data-attributes="member: 5777"><p>hello to you thanee, I guess you didnt realize that greater dispel was still much better in some ways than augmented psionic dispel could ever be. Now that you know though hopefully you will realize the difference <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /> The psionic augmentation is fine.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I read the thread, saying 'most others' is definately an overstatement. At best people were generally confused, picking whatever they could out of the confusion. Some hold certain readings more dearly. Personaly, I go for the one that is very limited in power, but very wide in this scope. Which seems to me as it was intended. At that point I have yet to see an overpowered combo with it.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Sure, it is a second level power.</p><p></p><p>But, once you start pumping pp into it then it is no longer effectively a 2nd level power in use. If you want to compare an unaugmented em to a second level spell/power then go ahead. Once you dump that first pp into it then you no longer can do that, the arguement is flawed.</p><p></p><p>On another board I used this comparison: Magic missile vs magic missile.</p><p></p><p>The first is left alone, but we'll just assume a 20th level caster. 5 missiles.</p><p></p><p>The second I empower, maximise, and twin.</p><p></p><p>Uh oh! magic missile is stronger than magic missile! broken!!</p><p></p><p>The comparison is roughly the same, comparing something unaugmented/wrong level to something else of a different power level is just useless. Worse than useless really since it clouds the issue.</p><p></p><p>If you pump enough pp into it to make it cost the same as a 9th level spell/power then you have to compare it with other 9th level spells/powers.</p><p></p><p>When this is done and comparing it to other spells/powers of the equivalent levels then em measures up properly. Coming out ahead here and there, and way behind elsewhere.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>::sighs:: yeah, comparing various spells and powers. You compare them one on one each time, but you still compare it to several powers. That is how comparisons work.</p><p></p><p>I am guessing that you are actually making a joke here about comparisons, but comparisons are the only real evidence we have to go by. If you dont like comparisons then come up with a better way.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Read the above, if you pump enough pp into it you have to compare it at the appropriate levels. Just like the magic missile above. Magic missile beats magic missile hands down, it must be horribly broken.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It is a good houserule <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I am unsure what you are trying to say here, could you restate the whole thought?</p><p></p><p>I was comparing a 30k item and saying that its price is fine, because it uses a slot and unslotted it would cost around 60k and 60k of pearls is generally way better than the torc <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Scion, post: 1555692, member: 5777"] hello to you thanee, I guess you didnt realize that greater dispel was still much better in some ways than augmented psionic dispel could ever be. Now that you know though hopefully you will realize the difference ;) The psionic augmentation is fine. I read the thread, saying 'most others' is definately an overstatement. At best people were generally confused, picking whatever they could out of the confusion. Some hold certain readings more dearly. Personaly, I go for the one that is very limited in power, but very wide in this scope. Which seems to me as it was intended. At that point I have yet to see an overpowered combo with it. Sure, it is a second level power. But, once you start pumping pp into it then it is no longer effectively a 2nd level power in use. If you want to compare an unaugmented em to a second level spell/power then go ahead. Once you dump that first pp into it then you no longer can do that, the arguement is flawed. On another board I used this comparison: Magic missile vs magic missile. The first is left alone, but we'll just assume a 20th level caster. 5 missiles. The second I empower, maximise, and twin. Uh oh! magic missile is stronger than magic missile! broken!! The comparison is roughly the same, comparing something unaugmented/wrong level to something else of a different power level is just useless. Worse than useless really since it clouds the issue. If you pump enough pp into it to make it cost the same as a 9th level spell/power then you have to compare it with other 9th level spells/powers. When this is done and comparing it to other spells/powers of the equivalent levels then em measures up properly. Coming out ahead here and there, and way behind elsewhere. ::sighs:: yeah, comparing various spells and powers. You compare them one on one each time, but you still compare it to several powers. That is how comparisons work. I am guessing that you are actually making a joke here about comparisons, but comparisons are the only real evidence we have to go by. If you dont like comparisons then come up with a better way. Read the above, if you pump enough pp into it you have to compare it at the appropriate levels. Just like the magic missile above. Magic missile beats magic missile hands down, it must be horribly broken. It is a good houserule ;) I am unsure what you are trying to say here, could you restate the whole thought? I was comparing a 30k item and saying that its price is fine, because it uses a slot and unslotted it would cost around 60k and 60k of pearls is generally way better than the torc ;) [/QUOTE]
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