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<blockquote data-quote="ConcreteBuddha" data-source="post: 1555856" data-attributes="member: 3139">I disagree. &quot;Lower level power&quot; does not mean that it should not or cannot be compared with higher level spells. Just because you learn the power at 3rd level does not mean that at 15th level it shouldn't have the same level of effectiveness as an 8th level power, since you spent 15 pps.The whole point of metamagic feats in the first place is to increase lower level spells to the power of higher level spells. If this isn't the case, then why do they cost the same spell slot? If an empowered, maximized magic missile is not equivalent in power to a chain lightning, then why does the former take up a 6th level slot? Shouldn't it fill a lower level slot?...Psions effectively get a free heighten and empower metamagic feat for every power. This is balanced because if they use all of their powers at the maximum capacity, they will quickly run out of pps, while a wizard still has truckloads of lower level spells to fall back on.Produce Flame (L1) does 1d6+3 damage every round for 30 rounds. That's 30d6+90 damage.Flame Blade (L2) does 1d8+1 damage every round for 30 rounds. That's 30d8+30 damage.Chill Metal and Heat Metal (L2) each deal 10d4 damage.Burning hands (L1) can potentially deal 21d4 damageAnyway my point is that 3d6+3, where the average is 14.5 damage, isn't too overpowered when they can't be combined, nor can the targets be far apart from each other.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ConcreteBuddha, post: 1555856, member: 3139"] I disagree. "Lower level power" does not mean that it should not or cannot be compared with higher level spells. Just because you learn the power at 3rd level does not mean that at 15th level it shouldn't have the same level of effectiveness as an 8th level power, since you spent 15 pps. The whole point of metamagic feats in the first place is to increase lower level spells to the power of higher level spells. If this isn't the case, then why do they cost the same spell slot? If an empowered, maximized magic missile is not equivalent in power to a chain lightning, then why does the former take up a 6th level slot? Shouldn't it fill a lower level slot? . . . Psions effectively get a free heighten and empower metamagic feat for every power. This is balanced because if they use all of their powers at the maximum capacity, they will quickly run out of pps, while a wizard still has truckloads of lower level spells to fall back on. Produce Flame (L1) does 1d6+3 damage every round for 30 rounds. That's 30d6+90 damage. Flame Blade (L2) does 1d8+1 damage every round for 30 rounds. That's 30d8+30 damage. Chill Metal and Heat Metal (L2) each deal 10d4 damage. Burning hands (L1) can potentially deal 21d4 damage Anyway my point is that 3d6+3, where the average is 14.5 damage, isn't too overpowered when they can't be combined, nor can the targets be far apart from each other. [/QUOTE]

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