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<blockquote data-quote="Scion" data-source="post: 1556174" data-attributes="member: 5777"><p>I made the comparison. It is directly related to what you were saying however. In any event, you must compare with the most directly relatable aspects. If you put 17 pp into it, then compare it with other things that cost 17pp. To do anything else is useless for the comparison.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Sure it is good. If it was horrible then who would bother taking it? The point of augmentation is to make it so that it stays viable throughout the psions carear. If it staying viable bothers you incredibly then I would suggest not playing with the new psionics book, as the augmentations are all over.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Not true. At 3rd level casting it is pretty nice, but spells like flaming sphere can actually do more. As levels increase energy missile is left farther and farther behind. At 11th level EM is still doing its meager damage with meager save, but scorching ray is doing incredible things. Of course you can augment EM, which is its advantage, but then you have to start comparing it with higher level powers/spells. Because that is effectively what it is now.</p><p></p><p>To do otherwise is to go back to the magic missile comparison.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I am guessing that you mean a spell slot. Clarity would be appreciated, since i was talking about item slots on a person there is the possibility for confusion. But yeah, a spell slot costs roughly that, when it doesnt take up an item slot.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>But of course the torc takes up a slot, so is actually worth 72k for an unslotted item. But the comparison is difficult because of the quadratic nature of the cost increase for spell slots. Immaterial though, going by your comparison then this is 22 pp. How many days will the torc actually be worth it then? Very few in my estimation, because generally people are useing powers to their full capacity. This means that if you can manifest your highest level power 7 times in a day, then you have saved yourself 7 pp. It would've been better to have the 22 pp. If you stretch yourself out, which is better generally, and use up to 22 different powers in a day then you come out even. 22 powers in a day is a lot <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /> But it can be done. If you use more than that, which is also possible, then you get a net benefit, for the cost of useing a bunch of weak powers.</p><p></p><p>sounds like a great tradeoff to me, 36k might even be a little bit too expensive at that point. </p><p></p><p>Of course this comparison is useing spell slot items, these items would be costed differently for psions, or should be, because of the lack of scaling. 72 extra magic missiles, cure light wounds, or a number of other 1st level spells would tend to be much better than the extra pp that the psion gets for the roughly equivalent amount of money. So the other casters are still way ahead with the current price.</p><p></p><p>The item is nice, but mainly it is a flavor thing. Horribly overpowered? havent seen it, the comparison done above shows the opposite.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Scion, post: 1556174, member: 5777"] I made the comparison. It is directly related to what you were saying however. In any event, you must compare with the most directly relatable aspects. If you put 17 pp into it, then compare it with other things that cost 17pp. To do anything else is useless for the comparison. Sure it is good. If it was horrible then who would bother taking it? The point of augmentation is to make it so that it stays viable throughout the psions carear. If it staying viable bothers you incredibly then I would suggest not playing with the new psionics book, as the augmentations are all over. Not true. At 3rd level casting it is pretty nice, but spells like flaming sphere can actually do more. As levels increase energy missile is left farther and farther behind. At 11th level EM is still doing its meager damage with meager save, but scorching ray is doing incredible things. Of course you can augment EM, which is its advantage, but then you have to start comparing it with higher level powers/spells. Because that is effectively what it is now. To do otherwise is to go back to the magic missile comparison. I am guessing that you mean a spell slot. Clarity would be appreciated, since i was talking about item slots on a person there is the possibility for confusion. But yeah, a spell slot costs roughly that, when it doesnt take up an item slot. But of course the torc takes up a slot, so is actually worth 72k for an unslotted item. But the comparison is difficult because of the quadratic nature of the cost increase for spell slots. Immaterial though, going by your comparison then this is 22 pp. How many days will the torc actually be worth it then? Very few in my estimation, because generally people are useing powers to their full capacity. This means that if you can manifest your highest level power 7 times in a day, then you have saved yourself 7 pp. It would've been better to have the 22 pp. If you stretch yourself out, which is better generally, and use up to 22 different powers in a day then you come out even. 22 powers in a day is a lot ;) But it can be done. If you use more than that, which is also possible, then you get a net benefit, for the cost of useing a bunch of weak powers. sounds like a great tradeoff to me, 36k might even be a little bit too expensive at that point. Of course this comparison is useing spell slot items, these items would be costed differently for psions, or should be, because of the lack of scaling. 72 extra magic missiles, cure light wounds, or a number of other 1st level spells would tend to be much better than the extra pp that the psion gets for the roughly equivalent amount of money. So the other casters are still way ahead with the current price. The item is nice, but mainly it is a flavor thing. Horribly overpowered? havent seen it, the comparison done above shows the opposite. [/QUOTE]
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