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<blockquote data-quote="Rystil Arden" data-source="post: 2148491" data-attributes="member: 29014">Oh, and I guess I'll throw an example of a Shaper in action (and how psionics can be used by the forces of good as well as the forces of twink):One of my regular players moved to Atlanta, and he was having trouble finding a group.&nbsp; The one he found had an incredibly RBDM who was running the Temple of Elemental Evil.&nbsp; My PC, used to my GMing, didn't know how to react to a giant dungeon crawl.&nbsp; Worse still, the RBDM forced him to make a character one level lower than the lowest party member.&nbsp; And he got killed permanently.&nbsp; Then he had to make a new character one level lower still, so I helped him make a survivable kensai.&nbsp; And the DM had the kensai executed by his own order (something about one of the monsters in the dungeon was randomly the head of the order with an illusion spell on him, or something).&nbsp; So now, the player had to make a level 7 PC and the party had in it level 11 characters (and all of his gear from previous characters, plus he didn't get a share of the treasure he helped earn).&nbsp; So I helped him make Nodieo the Gnome, who needed a 20 to hit AC 10 because of his nonproficient Full Plate and Tower Shield, but who had 33 AC after buffs and used Vigor to get bonus HP, then summoned Astral Constructs.&nbsp; And he was able to help the party, despite being 4 levels lower, but only in very minor ways, and of course he didn't die.&nbsp; This character was twinked out and min/maxed to the best of my ability, and the other characters were basically complete airheads in making their character (the cleric who refused to melee and only healed had also refused to put more than a 14 in any stat, as it would cost 2 points in PB, so he had 14 Wisdom and 14 Strength...).&nbsp; If the psion was overpowered, he should have been comparable to the 4 levels higher players because he was massively min/maxed.&nbsp; But he wasn't.&nbsp; Its my view that a character who is min/maxed to the max and can't outshine poorly-built PCs who varied from 2 to 4 levels above him means that the build is not overpowered.Of course, this is purely anecdotal.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Rystil Arden, post: 2148491, member: 29014"] Oh, and I guess I'll throw an example of a Shaper in action (and how psionics can be used by the forces of good as well as the forces of twink): One of my regular players moved to Atlanta, and he was having trouble finding a group. The one he found had an incredibly RBDM who was running the Temple of Elemental Evil. My PC, used to my GMing, didn't know how to react to a giant dungeon crawl. Worse still, the RBDM forced him to make a character one level lower than the lowest party member. And he got killed permanently. Then he had to make a new character one level lower still, so I helped him make a survivable kensai. And the DM had the kensai executed by his own order (something about one of the monsters in the dungeon was randomly the head of the order with an illusion spell on him, or something). So now, the player had to make a level 7 PC and the party had in it level 11 characters (and all of his gear from previous characters, plus he didn't get a share of the treasure he helped earn). So I helped him make Nodieo the Gnome, who needed a 20 to hit AC 10 because of his nonproficient Full Plate and Tower Shield, but who had 33 AC after buffs and used Vigor to get bonus HP, then summoned Astral Constructs. And he was able to help the party, despite being 4 levels lower, but only in very minor ways, and of course he didn't die. This character was twinked out and min/maxed to the best of my ability, and the other characters were basically complete airheads in making their character (the cleric who refused to melee and only healed had also refused to put more than a 14 in any stat, as it would cost 2 points in PB, so he had 14 Wisdom and 14 Strength...). If the psion was overpowered, he should have been comparable to the 4 levels higher players because he was massively min/maxed. But he wasn't. Its my view that a character who is min/maxed to the max and can't outshine poorly-built PCs who varied from 2 to 4 levels above him means that the build is not overpowered. Of course, this is purely anecdotal. [/QUOTE]

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