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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Morlock" data-source="post: 7671788" data-attributes="member: 6776981">I'm surprised to read so few mentions of Pathfinder's Ultimate Psionics. Everything I read suggests it's much better than 3/3.5 Psionics. I know I like UP so far, but I'm not familiar with 3e psionics.Whatever they do with psionics, I hope they throw a bone to those of us who want to rip out arcane & divine magic and replace both with psionics (and call the result "magic" <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> ). E.g., psionic classes that replicate Wizard (with spell lists as broad) as well as Sorcerer, and maybe Bard, Ranger, and Paladin, too; psionics that are as broad in scope as arcane & divine magic taken as a whole.Like I said in the crystal ball thread...it's just damned odd. I don't have WotC's inside knowledge, obviously, but from here it looks like Hasbro's trying too hard to fight the last war.If they do this (and I'd be okay with that; it's what I'm in the process of doing myself), my first instinct is to say that's not enough for a hardcover, so they should release the player rules as a PDF, and make the hardcover a DM book, maybe an adventure path cum psionic setting.Yes, this would mesh well with what they've already done so far. A Dark Sun AP/Sandbox/Setting hardcover, plus a Dark Sun/Psionics Player Guide PDF on the website.I disagree with Yaarel's insistence on what he describes in MIND-OVER-MATTER FLAVOR. I'd be fine with psionics that have a core of purely-character-powered spells (say, mostly the mental powers like telepathy and such), but also outlying spheres where the character uses mental powers to tap into other power sources. Summoning and conjuration in particular work better for me this way; the mentalist uses his telepathy to contact another plane, call beings there into his reality, that sort of thing. I also prefer the UP model, where Int is the prime stat.Actually, now that I think about it, maybe limted-scope 5e psionics rules from Wizards would be best. Then we could turn to the 3rd party publishers for something really good, like UP.You're describing how I used to be about psionics, before 3e. Now I'm trying to figure out how to replace magic with psionics (and then call it magic, lol). If you have psionics, why even bother with magic? It seems redundant.</blockquote>

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