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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8099028" data-attributes="member: 6801228"><p>Of course you could, they did. </p><p></p><p>And it got rejected by the majority of surveyed players. </p><p></p><p>So they tried again. </p><p></p><p>And it got rejected by the majority of surveyed players. </p><p></p><p>And then they tried a third time</p><p></p><p>And it got rejected by the majority of surveyed players. </p><p></p><p>And they tried one last time</p><p></p><p>And it got rejected by the majority of surveyed players. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So, at this point, they are doing spells and subclasses. It is the only thing that wasn't rejected. My point is simply that since we are at this stage, we might as well acknowledge that the spell system can represent psionics, and has been representing psionics, and considering the challenges involved and the amount of rejected material, this was the best way forward.</p><p></p><p></p><p>---------------------------------------------------------------------</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>We are constantly saying that WoTC should listen to the fans, that they should give the fans what they want. Well, the fans don't want a new system. </p><p></p><p>You can call it lazy if you want, you can give "but it would be so easy to do X" all you want, but at the end of the day, the fans spoke, and they indicated no. </p><p></p><p>At least for Psionics, it appears like they are done trying to make a new system. And after years of trying, I don't blame them.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Sure, but none of that is defined by the spell, correct? </p><p></p><p>So, it would still be the same spell, with the same rules, even if you flavored the process differently.</p><p></p><p></p><p>---------------------------------------------------------------------</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>For a man who demands respect from others, you sure like making personal attacks don't you? </p><p></p><p>[USER=6750014]@EscherEnigma[/USER] posted the rules for Innate Spellcasting (Psionic), the highlighted the section that stated "This tag carries no special rules of its own" which is meant by the author to indicate that the tag "Psionic" as a tag has no special rules. It is just spellcasting. </p><p></p><p>The author actually does, if you read the unbolded part, say as well "A monster that has this tag typically doesn't require any components to cast its spells." But that is not a special rule. That does not carry any mechanics that are unique to "Psionic" as I have shown quite a handful of magical abilities that have no components. Remember the Succubus Charm? The one that was so explicitly magical it was like cows having four legs? No components. Vampire Charm? Same thing. Nightmare's Etheral Stride, Cloakers Phantasms, the list is huge. </p><p></p><p>So, your claim that the writer made a mistake is wrong. I assumed that was because you thought you were reading the Innate Spellcasting rules, no the Psionic specific ones. But, since you decided to attack me for that assumption, I must assume you knew and just were ignorant of the massive list of magical monster abilities that require no components. </p><p></p><p>"Psionic" as a tag carries no special and unique rules. Including the lack of components. Plenty of explicitly magical and arcane abilities lack components in monsters. And, as WoTC releases psionic spells, the tag will still have no special rules attached to it. It will be a label for flavor, and nothing else. </p><p></p><p>----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I guess I can be sympathetic, but at the same time, eventually complaining about it just being in denial. It is what it is. </p><p></p><p>If you want to claim they should have done X, when X was tried and rejected, fine. Make your own version. But don't expect the company to listen to you, when they tried the exact thing you are trying and were told to stop and do something simpler. </p><p></p><p>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Maybe they should have. But people still keep yelling for it, so they kept trying.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 8099028, member: 6801228"] Of course you could, they did. And it got rejected by the majority of surveyed players. So they tried again. And it got rejected by the majority of surveyed players. And then they tried a third time And it got rejected by the majority of surveyed players. And they tried one last time And it got rejected by the majority of surveyed players. So, at this point, they are doing spells and subclasses. It is the only thing that wasn't rejected. My point is simply that since we are at this stage, we might as well acknowledge that the spell system can represent psionics, and has been representing psionics, and considering the challenges involved and the amount of rejected material, this was the best way forward. --------------------------------------------------------------------- We are constantly saying that WoTC should listen to the fans, that they should give the fans what they want. Well, the fans don't want a new system. You can call it lazy if you want, you can give "but it would be so easy to do X" all you want, but at the end of the day, the fans spoke, and they indicated no. At least for Psionics, it appears like they are done trying to make a new system. And after years of trying, I don't blame them. Sure, but none of that is defined by the spell, correct? So, it would still be the same spell, with the same rules, even if you flavored the process differently. --------------------------------------------------------------------- For a man who demands respect from others, you sure like making personal attacks don't you? [USER=6750014]@EscherEnigma[/USER] posted the rules for Innate Spellcasting (Psionic), the highlighted the section that stated "This tag carries no special rules of its own" which is meant by the author to indicate that the tag "Psionic" as a tag has no special rules. It is just spellcasting. The author actually does, if you read the unbolded part, say as well "A monster that has this tag typically doesn't require any components to cast its spells." But that is not a special rule. That does not carry any mechanics that are unique to "Psionic" as I have shown quite a handful of magical abilities that have no components. Remember the Succubus Charm? The one that was so explicitly magical it was like cows having four legs? No components. Vampire Charm? Same thing. Nightmare's Etheral Stride, Cloakers Phantasms, the list is huge. So, your claim that the writer made a mistake is wrong. I assumed that was because you thought you were reading the Innate Spellcasting rules, no the Psionic specific ones. But, since you decided to attack me for that assumption, I must assume you knew and just were ignorant of the massive list of magical monster abilities that require no components. "Psionic" as a tag carries no special and unique rules. Including the lack of components. Plenty of explicitly magical and arcane abilities lack components in monsters. And, as WoTC releases psionic spells, the tag will still have no special rules attached to it. It will be a label for flavor, and nothing else. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I guess I can be sympathetic, but at the same time, eventually complaining about it just being in denial. It is what it is. If you want to claim they should have done X, when X was tried and rejected, fine. Make your own version. But don't expect the company to listen to you, when they tried the exact thing you are trying and were told to stop and do something simpler. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Maybe they should have. But people still keep yelling for it, so they kept trying. [/QUOTE]
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