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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8101348" data-attributes="member: 6801228"><p>I don't want to say that you are wrong on this not being a big deal, but you are also completely missing the point that Paul was making. After all, he says that it is fine for a monster, but it would be far too powerful for a player character. </p><p></p><p>So, in arguing that this is fine for a monster.... you are not disagreeing with him at all. To make a stupid analogy</p><p></p><p>Paul: This craft beer is incredibly expensive, can you imagine if a budweiser was this expensive?</p><p>You: Well, craft beers do take a lot of work, so they are expensive. </p><p></p><p>You are just agreeing with his first point. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Also, I can't help but think you are completely wrong that the party would ever find those rats. </p><p></p><p>It never says how close a swarm has to be to each member, but even if you consider them as needing at least a continous contact, they could still cast through the eyes of a single rat. Meaning they only need to be hiding in the walls, with a single peek-hole. </p><p></p><p>They are immune to divination and retain their intelligence of 15 for a full day after splitting from the swarm. So, even if tehy were spotted, they simply disappear into various holes and grates, traveling through the walls and meeting back up to reform the swarm at a later moment. </p><p></p><p>They have no way to detect them, find them or follow them. So, I have no idea how a party is supposed to figure it there even was a strange swarm of rats nearby, and the rats have zero reason to really want to confront the party in a showdown at all.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 8101348, member: 6801228"] I don't want to say that you are wrong on this not being a big deal, but you are also completely missing the point that Paul was making. After all, he says that it is fine for a monster, but it would be far too powerful for a player character. So, in arguing that this is fine for a monster.... you are not disagreeing with him at all. To make a stupid analogy Paul: This craft beer is incredibly expensive, can you imagine if a budweiser was this expensive? You: Well, craft beers do take a lot of work, so they are expensive. You are just agreeing with his first point. Also, I can't help but think you are completely wrong that the party would ever find those rats. It never says how close a swarm has to be to each member, but even if you consider them as needing at least a continous contact, they could still cast through the eyes of a single rat. Meaning they only need to be hiding in the walls, with a single peek-hole. They are immune to divination and retain their intelligence of 15 for a full day after splitting from the swarm. So, even if tehy were spotted, they simply disappear into various holes and grates, traveling through the walls and meeting back up to reform the swarm at a later moment. They have no way to detect them, find them or follow them. So, I have no idea how a party is supposed to figure it there even was a strange swarm of rats nearby, and the rats have zero reason to really want to confront the party in a showdown at all. [/QUOTE]
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