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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 8101618" data-attributes="member: 23751">There is no problem at all.  None.  Psionics does not exist.  And yes, when a company puts out balanced classes in subclasses dozens and dozens of times and they are all balanced, I can in fact assume that they will balance the next one.  There's zero reason for me to assume otherwise at this point. If that's what he was saying, I disagree with him.  Sorcerers cannot do it with every single spell. That isn't what I gathered from his responses, though.  I gathered that he views the rats as balanced, because of how D&D is played.  If the rats' power was a secret, it's a mystery!!  Fun times. Common for PCs to use on NPCs.  Uncommon to rare for NPCs to use it on PCs.  PCs don't end up on the short end of the stick anywhere near as often as NPCs, and when they do it's not always with NPCs that know what to do with casters.Right, I said more than once the minimal times that PC Psions cannot be countered by binding and gagging could be countered with some slightly weaker class abilities and/or a few less spell slots(or the equivalent).  I didn't ignore it and proposed some things that could be brought in to balance.The point was that not having the same weaknesses as Wizards and Sorcerers made Psions too powerful. Proposing ways to balance that has everything to do with the point.So you don't care about the greater balance issue of keeping the casting secret and are only focusing on the much lesser issue of binding/gagging failing to work on Psions?  I don't understand that.  Being able to pinpoint casters and focus on them is the major balance point in combat.  If a caster can keep himself secret in a fight, that's a HUGE bonus.Yes.  I've said the same things in every conversation about psionics I've been in since 5e came out.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Ugh!  Sorry to hear that man.  I really hope your dog is going to be okay and your mother arm heals quickly.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f641.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":(" title="Frown    :("  data-smilie="3"data-shortname=":(" />Yep.  For sure it happens to NPCs far more often.  Outside of Darksun, though, how many of those casters are going to be Psions.  From my point of view, the PCs having a much harder time with an NPC is a challenge to be overcome.  PCs have watches.  How hard is it to make sure the Psion cannot get any rest to recover power and hit points?  It's a bit inconvenient, but the one on watch can keep a sword to the captives throat with a warning that death will be swift if they see any displays of power begin(readied action to cut the NPCs throat if he tries to cast a spell). Except I just did in my example above.  Presumably the Psion was reduced to 0 and being an NPC and not a PC, likely has no class levels, so no hit dice to spend on a short rest.  One slice will put him out and he will never recover power or hit points due to not being able to rest. No.  No the Psion wouldn't constantly attack the party.  It would be moronic for the Psion to do so when A) the party just beat him while he was at full power and now he's very much weaker, and B) if he irritates the party, they might not just make him unconscious if he starts casting.  The fear of death is a great motivator for good behavior. I have no problem with that.  I don't think most who advocate for psionics will, either,  It makes a lot of sense for the Psion to need to see the target for most of their abilities.  The issue is whether Clairvoyance will allow a work-around or not.  I can see a lot of people arguing in favor of that working.It won't break anything except for tradition, which is very strong in D&D.  Rather than fight that fight unnecessarily, just making it an effect of casting and not a component.  It changes nothing and doesn't cause a huge segment of players to break out the torches and pitchforks.</blockquote>

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