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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8103717" data-attributes="member: 6801228"><p>What? Why are we assuming the ability fails when he uses it? What kind of sense does that even make?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The "challenge" seems to be to find a way other than torture. With very limited options available. And the chances of them not including rules like the 3.5 metal helmet are pretty high</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><em>Sigh</em></p><p></p><p>The Mystic was a playtest document. It was not the final version. It is not official material. Considering the Mystic was completely rejected, and has been officially stated to not make it into the game, using that to inform the lore of whatever Psion class we might get would be a mistake.</p><p></p><p>Additionally, even if it was official, the ability to turn things into an organization is completely part of the setting. And a place like Ravinica or Eberron or Dark Sun would have perfect thematic space for them. </p><p></p><p>So, 5e declared nothing. It has a rejected playtest document that is no longer being considered for publication. Using that to declare that Psions (who aren't mystics) have no schools or organizations and require finding mad sages is completely baseless.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Enforced Sleep Deprivation is torture. It does get them "near death" which is why you need to support their body with 5th level magic (Greater Restoration) to prevent them from dying due to it. </p><p></p><p>So, your example doesn't disprove my point. You are basically saying "you don't have to torture them, you can torture them instead, and keep them alive via miracles" (Miracles being a stand in term for divine magic, since most arcane magic cannot heal exhaustion) </p><p></p><p>Oh, and Greater Restoration costs 100 gp of diamond dust per casting. So lets not forget that part.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>How can it possibly be seen that a person who was attacked, kidnapped, and forcibly reloacted against their will cannot claim self-defense for fighting back against their attackers? </p><p></p><p>I guess we need to lay out some obvious facts. </p><p></p><p>1) The player characters are not cops. At absolute, absolute most they are unlicensed bounty hunters. </p><p></p><p>2) Being a criminal does not strip away your right to defend yourself. Just because the Duke sends you to track down a Psion who stole from them, does not mean that the Psion has lost all rights to their health and well-being. This is why it is illegal and immoral and plain wrong for law enforcement officers to beat prisoners. </p><p></p><p>3) Mens Rea. "the intention or <strong>knowledge </strong>of wrongdoing that constitutes part of a crime". Knowledge comes into play. The PCs may claim to have legitimate authority, but should the Psion believe them? When they broke into their home without warning, weapons drawn? When instead of telling the Psion that they had legitimate authority, they simply attacked with overwhelming force? Show them a document, and the Psion can rightly point out that with a 9th level spellcaster in the party, forging a document is trivially easy.</p><p></p><p>There are dozens of scenarios where it is possible for the PCs not to be evil, and yet the Psion has every justification to resist and try to escape. Again, if this was a scenario where you were dealing with an obviously evil individual who does not have the right to defend themselves... you probably have an execution order instead of a retrieval order.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 8103717, member: 6801228"] What? Why are we assuming the ability fails when he uses it? What kind of sense does that even make? The "challenge" seems to be to find a way other than torture. With very limited options available. And the chances of them not including rules like the 3.5 metal helmet are pretty high [I]Sigh[/I] The Mystic was a playtest document. It was not the final version. It is not official material. Considering the Mystic was completely rejected, and has been officially stated to not make it into the game, using that to inform the lore of whatever Psion class we might get would be a mistake. Additionally, even if it was official, the ability to turn things into an organization is completely part of the setting. And a place like Ravinica or Eberron or Dark Sun would have perfect thematic space for them. So, 5e declared nothing. It has a rejected playtest document that is no longer being considered for publication. Using that to declare that Psions (who aren't mystics) have no schools or organizations and require finding mad sages is completely baseless. Enforced Sleep Deprivation is torture. It does get them "near death" which is why you need to support their body with 5th level magic (Greater Restoration) to prevent them from dying due to it. So, your example doesn't disprove my point. You are basically saying "you don't have to torture them, you can torture them instead, and keep them alive via miracles" (Miracles being a stand in term for divine magic, since most arcane magic cannot heal exhaustion) Oh, and Greater Restoration costs 100 gp of diamond dust per casting. So lets not forget that part. How can it possibly be seen that a person who was attacked, kidnapped, and forcibly reloacted against their will cannot claim self-defense for fighting back against their attackers? I guess we need to lay out some obvious facts. 1) The player characters are not cops. At absolute, absolute most they are unlicensed bounty hunters. 2) Being a criminal does not strip away your right to defend yourself. Just because the Duke sends you to track down a Psion who stole from them, does not mean that the Psion has lost all rights to their health and well-being. This is why it is illegal and immoral and plain wrong for law enforcement officers to beat prisoners. 3) Mens Rea. "the intention or [B]knowledge [/B]of wrongdoing that constitutes part of a crime". Knowledge comes into play. The PCs may claim to have legitimate authority, but should the Psion believe them? When they broke into their home without warning, weapons drawn? When instead of telling the Psion that they had legitimate authority, they simply attacked with overwhelming force? Show them a document, and the Psion can rightly point out that with a 9th level spellcaster in the party, forging a document is trivially easy. There are dozens of scenarios where it is possible for the PCs not to be evil, and yet the Psion has every justification to resist and try to escape. Again, if this was a scenario where you were dealing with an obviously evil individual who does not have the right to defend themselves... you probably have an execution order instead of a retrieval order. [/QUOTE]
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