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<blockquote data-quote="JiffyPopTart" data-source="post: 8103789" data-attributes="member: 4881"><p>The art also shows rats that have clearly exposed brains that are glowing blue, so art is just art and not translatable to the rules or mandatory description.</p><p></p><p>As far as 5' stacked high...thats not what I am saying. I am saying the rats need to have a similar mass as a medium creature. If a standard human weighs 120lbs in the world, and a rat weighed 3lbs, then there could be 40 rats in a 5X5X5 cube to be considered medium. Since the rats aren't flying or clinging to the walls when in the middle of the room, then this means that you have a 5X5 square on the floor covered with 40 rats.</p><p></p><p>As I just stated to [USER=6906155]@Paul Farquhar[/USER] a rat swarm is a distinct entity from individual rats. When a GM fails to disclose the fact its a swarm, and instead paints the picture of there just being individual rats then they are deciding to give the rats a free hide-in-plain-sight and auto pass stealth check ability. If the GM wants to do this in their game, then I have no problem with that choice. I'm just asking that we acknowledge that as part of the discussion.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="JiffyPopTart, post: 8103789, member: 4881"] The art also shows rats that have clearly exposed brains that are glowing blue, so art is just art and not translatable to the rules or mandatory description. As far as 5' stacked high...thats not what I am saying. I am saying the rats need to have a similar mass as a medium creature. If a standard human weighs 120lbs in the world, and a rat weighed 3lbs, then there could be 40 rats in a 5X5X5 cube to be considered medium. Since the rats aren't flying or clinging to the walls when in the middle of the room, then this means that you have a 5X5 square on the floor covered with 40 rats. As I just stated to [USER=6906155]@Paul Farquhar[/USER] a rat swarm is a distinct entity from individual rats. When a GM fails to disclose the fact its a swarm, and instead paints the picture of there just being individual rats then they are deciding to give the rats a free hide-in-plain-sight and auto pass stealth check ability. If the GM wants to do this in their game, then I have no problem with that choice. I'm just asking that we acknowledge that as part of the discussion. [/QUOTE]
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