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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ahnehnois" data-source="post: 6181309" data-attributes="member: 17106">None of that strikes me as being particularly important to the point I was making, which  is that divine and arcane abilities, while perhaps not as different as psionics, are different from each other. What those differences are is less important. However, it is worth noting that the 3e cleric spells text states explicitly "Clerics meditate or pray for their spells."As to the wizard, I think it's clear that he understands how to cast spells, but not at all clear that he understands why they work.I don't know what Glorantha is, but yes D&D is a hodgepodge. Personally, conflicts between different supernatural powers are central to my campaigns; I read the rules and extrapolate and add my own interpretations to them.Well, some published settings do make more explicit statements about where their magic comes from, and they might reach a broader audience than just one table. But for the rest of us that use our own homebrewed settings or are liberal on these things, yes I agree a consensus as to what magic is and is not won't likely happen.</blockquote>