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<blockquote data-quote="ProfessorCirno" data-source="post: 5246272" data-attributes="member: 65637">The big issue is that, mechanically speaking, Vancian is far more sci-fi then psionics have ever been.I'm sorry, but if you think it's ok and not sci-fi to have psuedo scientists with books filled with formula who use experimentation to discover ways of altering physics...but it's totally sci-fi and fantasy to have someone who simply reaches into the world and changes it with his mind?&nbsp; You're wrong.&nbsp; Your opinion is bad.There are no fantasy wizards that are 1) unrelated to D&amp;D and 2) act the same way D&amp;D wizards do.&nbsp; None of them.&nbsp; Fantasy wizards either have some kind of &quot;energy&quot; inside them that they manipulate along with a few spells, or they can cast whatever they seem to want instantly.&nbsp; There are no non-D&amp;D wizards that carry around a spellbook and reagents.&nbsp; Hell, the whole system came from a damned sci-fi sword, sorcerery, and laser guns series.And no, you can't point at words from the late 1800's and say &quot;Look, see, not sci-fi.&quot;&nbsp; Sci-fi is founded and built on the late Age of Exploration, the Industrial Revolution, and on Victorian fantasy.&nbsp; There's a reason steampunk and cyberpunk are held so close to each other.&nbsp; The same themes of rampant technology gone wrong, the exploration of new frontiers, and the loss of humanization are the foundations of both.&nbsp; Medieval fantasy - the type some people bizarrely fetishize when it comes to D&amp;D - doesn't use teleportation, or disintegration, or ESP, or any of those.&nbsp; In fact, that's the funniest thing.&nbsp; The rigidness and lack of mystery in Vancian, the open ended flexibility of psionics - psionics have been more &quot;magical&quot; then actual &quot;magic&quot; for a long time.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ProfessorCirno, post: 5246272, member: 65637"] The big issue is that, mechanically speaking, Vancian is [I]far[/I] more sci-fi then psionics have ever been. I'm sorry, but if you think it's ok and not sci-fi to have psuedo scientists with books filled with formula who use experimentation to discover ways of altering physics...but it's totally sci-fi and fantasy to have someone who simply reaches into the world and changes it with his mind? You're wrong. Your opinion is bad. There are [I]no[/I] fantasy wizards that are 1) unrelated to D&D and 2) act the same way D&D wizards do. None of them. Fantasy wizards either have some kind of "energy" inside them that they manipulate along with a few spells, or they can cast whatever they seem to want instantly. There are no non-D&D wizards that carry around a spellbook and reagents. Hell, the whole system came from a damned sci-fi sword, sorcerery, and laser guns series. And no, you can't point at words from the late 1800's and say "Look, see, not sci-fi." Sci-fi is founded and built on the late Age of Exploration, the Industrial Revolution, and on Victorian fantasy. There's a reason steampunk and cyberpunk are held so close to each other. The same themes of rampant technology gone wrong, the exploration of new frontiers, and the loss of humanization are the foundations of both. Medieval fantasy - the type some people bizarrely fetishize when it comes to D&D - doesn't use teleportation, or disintegration, or ESP, or any of those. In fact, that's the funniest thing. The rigidness and lack of mystery in Vancian, the open ended flexibility of psionics - psionics have been more "magical" then actual "magic" for a long time. [/QUOTE]

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