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<blockquote data-quote="EricNoah" data-source="post: 577548" data-attributes="member: 4">Ok, here's how I understand it (using an example, look at table 4-1 thru 4-3 on PsiHB p. 42):Bad guy says, &quot;I'm attacking with Ego Whip (a Dex-related attack).&quot;&nbsp; (He probably doesn't say this out loud, as the defender is not supposed to know what attack is coming.)Good guy says, &quot;I'm defending with Empty Mind.&quot;&nbsp; (This is assuming the good guy is not flat-footed or out of psionic points.)Bad guy needs to set the DC for good guy's Will save.&nbsp; He rolls d20 + his dex mod + 1 (from table 4-1).&nbsp; The result is the DC for the good guy's Will save.&nbsp; Let's say the good guy fails his save.&nbsp; Ego whip deals 1d4 Dex damage.&nbsp; Some defenses provide &quot;mental hardness&quot; but not Empty Mind, so good guy suffers the full 1d4 Dex damage.&nbsp; -----------Another common situation:&nbsp; Bad guy vs. a non-psionic victim.&nbsp; Bad guy says, &quot;I'm attacking with Ego Whip.&quot;Non-Psionic dude says ... nothing because he doesn't have any psionic defenses.&nbsp; Bad guy rolls d20 + his dex mod -8 (from table 4-1).&nbsp; The result is the DC for the non-psionic dude's Will save.Let's say the non-psionic dude fails his Will save.&nbsp; Non-psionic creatures don't suffer ability damage, they suffer rounds of being stunned.&nbsp; So instead of taking 1d4 Dex damage, non-psionic dude is stunned for 1d4 rounds.&nbsp; -----------I'm not aware of any variants though there could be some out there in some D20 supplement somewhere.&nbsp; Gonna move this over to the Rules forum so the rules gurus can tear my example to shreds. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="EricNoah, post: 577548, member: 4"] Ok, here's how I understand it (using an example, look at table 4-1 thru 4-3 on PsiHB p. 42): Bad guy says, "I'm attacking with Ego Whip (a Dex-related attack)." (He probably doesn't say this out loud, as the defender is not supposed to know what attack is coming.) Good guy says, "I'm defending with Empty Mind." (This is assuming the good guy is not flat-footed or out of psionic points.) Bad guy needs to set the DC for good guy's Will save. He rolls d20 + his dex mod + 1 (from table 4-1). The result is the DC for the good guy's Will save. Let's say the good guy fails his save. Ego whip deals 1d4 Dex damage. Some defenses provide "mental hardness" but not Empty Mind, so good guy suffers the full 1d4 Dex damage. ----------- Another common situation: Bad guy vs. a non-psionic victim. Bad guy says, "I'm attacking with Ego Whip." Non-Psionic dude says ... nothing because he doesn't have any psionic defenses. Bad guy rolls d20 + his dex mod -8 (from table 4-1). The result is the DC for the non-psionic dude's Will save. Let's say the non-psionic dude fails his Will save. Non-psionic creatures don't suffer ability damage, they suffer rounds of being stunned. So instead of taking 1d4 Dex damage, non-psionic dude is stunned for 1d4 rounds. ----------- I'm not aware of any variants though there could be some out there in some D20 supplement somewhere. Gonna move this over to the Rules forum so the rules gurus can tear my example to shreds. :) [/QUOTE]

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