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<blockquote data-quote="The_Ditto" data-source="post: 3163728" data-attributes="member: 30566"><p>ahh ok ... so exclude everything that is relevant to proving one side of the argument .. hence we can only agree since it's the only option left?</p><p>No, sorry, we can't go dismissing things like this so easily ... </p><p></p><p>(Case in point: Psions are overpowered because a Psionic Charm augmented to 11 pp has a higher DC than a 1st level charm spell ... I hope you see that this isn't a good comparision and proves nothing ??)</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I can .. wanna know why? Easy ... the psion has to pay for it ... it is <strong>not</strong> a free +1 ... he paid for it with PP ... </p><p>That's why I said, if you want to compare apples to apples, you gotta compare a 19pp cost to a 10th level slot ... if you want to compare to a 9th level slot ... fine ... look ONLY at 17pp ... when you do, well . hey ... the DCs are the same!!</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I vote: Option 1 ... </p><p>Why?</p><p>Easy ... it's back to the "Psion has to pay for that extra +1" ...</p><p>Could go on about ... "Spell focus gives a bigger bonus and is automatically applied, psionic equivilent actually costs more than just picking up the feat ... (ie expend focus)"</p><p>Could go on about ... "Psions have to pay to get anything extra ... " .. but I mentioned that already ...</p><p></p><p>Seriously ... if we think it's overpowered than either:</p><p>a) we're getting something for free</p><p>or</p><p>b) we're getting something for a ridiculously low price.</p><p></p><p>Since the psion has to pay PP for that extra +1 DC (up to 19 pp over 17pp) ... he's definitely paying <strong>something</strong></p><p>So option (a) is out ... </p><p></p><p>That leaves option (b) for those who believe it's "overpowered" ... is that about right?</p><p>So let's focus on that ... do people believe that 2PP is too cheap for a +1 to DC ?? </p><p>Why? Why not?</p><p></p><p>This may be the crux of the issue ... from my point of view ... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> </p><p>(Of course, I have been accused of being blind before ... heh <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f615.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":confused:" title="Confused :confused:" data-smilie="5"data-shortname=":confused:" /> )</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="The_Ditto, post: 3163728, member: 30566"] ahh ok ... so exclude everything that is relevant to proving one side of the argument .. hence we can only agree since it's the only option left? No, sorry, we can't go dismissing things like this so easily ... (Case in point: Psions are overpowered because a Psionic Charm augmented to 11 pp has a higher DC than a 1st level charm spell ... I hope you see that this isn't a good comparision and proves nothing ??) I can .. wanna know why? Easy ... the psion has to pay for it ... it is [b]not[/b] a free +1 ... he paid for it with PP ... That's why I said, if you want to compare apples to apples, you gotta compare a 19pp cost to a 10th level slot ... if you want to compare to a 9th level slot ... fine ... look ONLY at 17pp ... when you do, well . hey ... the DCs are the same!! I vote: Option 1 ... Why? Easy ... it's back to the "Psion has to pay for that extra +1" ... Could go on about ... "Spell focus gives a bigger bonus and is automatically applied, psionic equivilent actually costs more than just picking up the feat ... (ie expend focus)" Could go on about ... "Psions have to pay to get anything extra ... " .. but I mentioned that already ... Seriously ... if we think it's overpowered than either: a) we're getting something for free or b) we're getting something for a ridiculously low price. Since the psion has to pay PP for that extra +1 DC (up to 19 pp over 17pp) ... he's definitely paying [b]something[/b] So option (a) is out ... That leaves option (b) for those who believe it's "overpowered" ... is that about right? So let's focus on that ... do people believe that 2PP is too cheap for a +1 to DC ?? Why? Why not? This may be the crux of the issue ... from my point of view ... :D (Of course, I have been accused of being blind before ... heh :confused: ) [/QUOTE]
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