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<blockquote data-quote="Scion" data-source="post: 2576471" data-attributes="member: 5777">It is a tough call.. I am unsure why they went with a different stacking proceedure. I would say to follow their example as far as possible and then extrapolate useing the other rules.When you metamorph into a troll your physical form becomes that of a troll, you did not change size.So, you may use expansion or double expansion as you will. This will allow you to get some pretty impressive claw attacks with a bit of work but it does have its drawbacks (such as not having many attacks and needing to buff up the claws seperately and such).Effects that can increase claw damage will work on the claws of the beast. So things like improved natural attack will be fine. It is up to your dm when and how you can take it however. I let people take it who have been specifically going for that sort of thing (training with the claws during downtime generally) even if they dont qualify 24/7.Also, for this particular combo I usually prefer to metamorph into a gray glutton. Start off huge, double expansion = good. But you really can only do this outdoors in an open field.. most other places simply wont hold your size/weight!</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Scion, post: 2576471, member: 5777"] It is a tough call.. I am unsure why they went with a different stacking proceedure. I would say to follow their example as far as possible and then extrapolate useing the other rules. When you metamorph into a troll your physical form becomes that of a troll, you did not change size. So, you may use expansion or double expansion as you will. This will allow you to get some pretty impressive claw attacks with a bit of work but it does have its drawbacks (such as not having many attacks and needing to buff up the claws seperately and such). Effects that can increase claw damage will work on the claws of the beast. So things like improved natural attack will be fine. It is up to your dm when and how you can take it however. I let people take it who have been specifically going for that sort of thing (training with the claws during downtime generally) even if they dont qualify 24/7. Also, for this particular combo I usually prefer to metamorph into a gray glutton. Start off huge, double expansion = good. But you really can only do this outdoors in an open field.. most other places simply wont hold your size/weight! [/QUOTE]

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