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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Graf" data-source="post: 377603" data-attributes="member: 3087">i sense.... confusionI can see my posting style has managed to confuse you. Let me see if I can try to respond to what you were saying and clairfy the confusion.I'm at home so I have my books too which will help.My thesis is that: The gods to not fear psionics either because they don't know it nor because its a threat to them.They may fear it for some other reason Joseph isn't sharing (like every psionic being on Scarn is unknowling contributing to a powerful psionic effect which will allow the Slarecians to return).Unfortunately I wasn't talking about what the gods do or can't do. I was pointing out from what I've seen in the books so far that psions aren't the thing that the gods are most worried about or focused on getting rid of.(no I don't have R&RII, but no-ones said that it says anything about the gods and psionics. In fact Joseph said that it didn't address gods and psionics at all).Lacking new evidence I don't see a 3rd level psion -or- a 18th level psion suddenly being more -important- (as in worth if their concern and/or fear) to the gods than the Blood Crone where the Blood Crone (where the Blood Crone represents anything powerful trying to create havok and bring back a titan).Ok. Now I really don't think this is what you mean to be saying. I could be wrong, but this makes very little sense.Example: Corean's avatarSR45 (and PR 35)A 15th level wizard casting a spell at Corean won't affect him. And neither will a psion.Where's the -no- defense?I think you can see my confusion here. Psionics will start to have a chance of harming a god sooner than arcane magic. But psionic powers are (deliberatly) weaker than arcane powers of the same level and they -never- scale (so your fireball is always cast as if the caster is 5th level, no matter how high you go). Bruce Cordell's gone over it a whole bunch, its a necessary componet of balancing the system against arcane magic (because psions can use armor, don't need componets, etc.) Since BC was involved in the creation of R&RII I assume these rules were followed.Further point 1: Psionic effects can be detected & dispelled by magic and vise versa. Worried about psonics? Anti-magic field. *poof* no problem.Further point 2: most divine servants of the gods don't have SR anyway so it doesn't really matter. They get the same saving throws and so forth as anyone else.I mentioned this point in my post above. i -do- like it. that's why I mentioned it.  I'm pretty good at coming up with an explaination for anything. But unless its in a book or from somebody from S&S then its just conjecture.And conjecture that contradicts previously published material (see point 2 below).Furtherpoint 1: Corean can't cast arcane spells either. Neither can his clerics.  Nor can Madriel. They aren't losing sleep over an arcane wizards.Furtherpoint 2: the Divine and the Defeated pg21 Divine Knowledge "...an avatar with this power has has a number [of] ranks in any Knowledge skill equal to X x 5."-If- there is a rule somewhere in R&R that says that a gods Divine Knowledge power power doesn't apply to knowledge psionics then I'm wrong (or if that's errata or whatever) otherwise I'd like to know why Corean doesn't have Knowledge (Psionics) 25 ranks?Dude. Look at tD&tD again and then make me a 20th level -anything- that's got a 50% chance of killing Vangal's herald.Heck I'd like to see at 20th level psion or psychic warrior who could take on Galdor. Or even make it to round 3....(going back to my original point about Gods not caring about an individual psion) why would Vangal get involved at all? If his herald is getting punked my some 20th level then they don't deserve to be his herald anyway.I'll, ahhh, let this one slide and stick to my points. :}Why all the fuss and bother? Because up until this point things in the Scarred Lands have generally made sense and made for a good story.I -like- psionics. I don't see much reason for them to be THE ULTIMATE THREAT TO THE GODS FROM WHICH THEY QUAKE IN FEAR. Its contradictory with basically everything we've seen so far and its an implausible and (from my standpoint) kinda cheezy B-movie-type story.A 5th level psion or pychic warrior is about as powerful as any other 5th level character.(we can do the Slarecians another time I realize the longer my posts get the harder it is to follow what I'm saying)</blockquote>

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