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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ruleslawyer" data-source="post: 1701069" data-attributes="member: 1757">Sorta true, Darklone, except for two interrelated things:1) The psywarr doesn't need a Wisdom score higher than 10 + 1/3 to 1/2 class level. All of his good powers are buffs, meaning that save DC is irrelevant, so any higher Wisdom score is wasted. That's easily achievable with a starting Wis of 12 and no level-based increases, which isn't very expensive unless you play with 25 point buy or lower.[Incidentally, Brain: the war mind is also fine with a low manifester level for a similar reason: He doesn't ever need to breach PR, so the only assets of a high manifester level are duration and protection from dispelling. The latter can easily be resolved by a ring of counterspells or a ring of spell turning.]2) Although it may be non-obvious, the fighter actually needs a high Wisdom to survive. In fact, due to the fact that a fighter has no mental protection whatsoever, a decent Wisdom is critical to the fighter if he doesn't want to blow each and every Will save. Unlike the psywarr, a fighter doesn't get defense buffs against mind-affecting effects, and has a harder time qualifying for classes like illithid slayer, which provide powerful mental defenses. Thus, a fighter is likely to need a Wis score roughly parallel to the 10 + 1/3 to 1/2 class level figure suggested above.If I were creating an optimized fighter using 28 point buy, I might go for this:Str 14Dex 13Con 14Int 13Wis 12Cha 8 Why the flat scores? Well, the fighter's entire advantage is having the bonus feats necessary to pick up multiple combat trees. In order to do that, I need a high Dex (Dodge, etc.) and high Int (Expertise) in addition to high Str and Con. I could go with this:Str 16 Dex 14 Con 14Int 10Wis 12Cha 8Of course, I can't take the Expertise tree now, can I? But still. However, a psywarr can take either of these stat arrays and do perfectly! In fact, a psywarr is likely to have less downside from taking the second stat array because he's not going to hit every feat tree anyway, so he might as well ignore Expertise/Improved Trip.Or I could go with this:Str 16Dex 14Con 14Int 12Wis 10Cha 8OK, so this is a stat array that the fighter could take and the psywarr couldn't afford. However, all this gives the fighter is the opportunity to take Improved Trip in exchange for a +1 to Will saves. That's probably a fair trade for the fighter, but it doesn't really tip the scales.</blockquote>

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