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<blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 5044208" data-attributes="member: 82106"><p>Well, I could easily see a pacifist not having a problem with a lot of things. </p><p></p><p>Undead aren't living things and can't be killed. Certainly wiping out a bunch of zombies might be no more morally objectionable than cutting down trees to build a road or draining a swamp. It could well depend on the type of undead and the context. Fighting a huge war against a kingdom of intelligent undead might well exceed what a pacifist might find acceptable, especially if some other option is available.</p><p></p><p>I can't see disarming a trap as even falling within the concept of violence or non-violence. Its simply a device which is hazardous. Beating on a trap with a weapon has no more moral connotations than using any other tool to accomplish a task. </p><p></p><p>I could even see a somewhat pacifist philosophy that only holds that violence between humans or maybe between certain races is objectionable and killing monsters or at least say monsters that could be considered "animals" in a loose sense was perfectly acceptable.</p><p></p><p>Overall though the whole notion of pacifism in a world filled with violently hostile monsters who by their very nature cannot be lived with peacefully is fairly untenable. In the real world pacifism makes sense. Real-world violence is essentially pointless and unproductive and it IS possible for everyone to get along without it, even if only in theory. You can't ever get along with demons, vampires, devils, and mind flayers. Maybe at best you can make some kind of truce with some of them but they are fundamentally "other" and it would be a lot like a pacifist in the real world claiming he can get along peacefully with polar bears. Those bears will simply eat you if they're hungry, its their nature.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AbdulAlhazred, post: 5044208, member: 82106"] Well, I could easily see a pacifist not having a problem with a lot of things. Undead aren't living things and can't be killed. Certainly wiping out a bunch of zombies might be no more morally objectionable than cutting down trees to build a road or draining a swamp. It could well depend on the type of undead and the context. Fighting a huge war against a kingdom of intelligent undead might well exceed what a pacifist might find acceptable, especially if some other option is available. I can't see disarming a trap as even falling within the concept of violence or non-violence. Its simply a device which is hazardous. Beating on a trap with a weapon has no more moral connotations than using any other tool to accomplish a task. I could even see a somewhat pacifist philosophy that only holds that violence between humans or maybe between certain races is objectionable and killing monsters or at least say monsters that could be considered "animals" in a loose sense was perfectly acceptable. Overall though the whole notion of pacifism in a world filled with violently hostile monsters who by their very nature cannot be lived with peacefully is fairly untenable. In the real world pacifism makes sense. Real-world violence is essentially pointless and unproductive and it IS possible for everyone to get along without it, even if only in theory. You can't ever get along with demons, vampires, devils, and mind flayers. Maybe at best you can make some kind of truce with some of them but they are fundamentally "other" and it would be a lot like a pacifist in the real world claiming he can get along peacefully with polar bears. Those bears will simply eat you if they're hungry, its their nature. [/QUOTE]
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