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Message: <blockquote data-quote="NuSair" data-source="post: 6316224" data-attributes="member: 6705473">So, after reading about this build in various places, I finally decided to read up on it myself. (here is the build I looked at: <a href="http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Pun-Pun_(3.5e_Optimized_Character_Build" target="_blank">http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Pun-Pun_(3.5e_Optimized_Character_Build</a> )After reading through it myself and going back to track the abilities, I have come across something that doesn't seem to make sense. Manipulate Form. Here is the text from the listing on wizards.com ( <a href="http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ex/20040709a&page=3" target="_blank">http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ex/20040709a&page=3</a> )I bolded and underlined the important part of the text. Now, where the write up is given of Pun Pun, there is a slight, but rather important change to the text of the ability.You see there is added 'supernatural, or spell like. Manipulate Form is an SU ability. So, by it's text on the WotC site, it cannot be used to give itself (which is essential in the Pun Pun build). Which is where the problem comes up.Unfortunately, I do not own a copy of the Serpent Kingdoms to look in the book. Or is there errata somewhere that I am missing for this ability?</blockquote>