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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Zelc" data-source="post: 4555768" data-attributes="member: 40496">NOTE: I did not read all of the posts before posting this, so I probably said some redundant stuff.  Sorry <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f641.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":(" title="Frown    :("  data-smilie="3"data-shortname=":(" /> <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/blush.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":blush:" title="Blush    :blush:" data-shortname=":blush:" />.Instead of using grenades, you can make them exploding dolls <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />.Here's some more inspiration if you like.  A different take on a puppeteer: <a href="http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Alice_Margatroid" target="_blank">Alice Margatroid</a>, from the Touhou series.  Specifically, her moveset in the two 2-D fighting games (<a href="http://iamp.mizuumi.net/index.php/Alice_Margatroid" target="_blank">here</a> and <a href="http://swr.mizuumi.net/index.php/Alice_Margatroid" target="_blank">here</a>) may make for good inspiration.  Unlike Kankuro, she doesn't keep any puppets out for long periods of time, but instead pulls them out and puts them away as needed.  She plays very much like a controller.  Her game is built mostly using delay-firing dolls to both provide coverage for herself and to set up traps, pressure strings, and block strings to eventually overwhelm the opponent's defense.  These could provide inspiration for some of the independent puppet master attacks.Youtube:[sblock][ame=http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=Hnw762jKyZ0]Combo video[/ame][ame=http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=JWrqPDAlpmk]Corner traps 1[/ame][ame=http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=imItcrca_cY]Corner traps 2[/ame]Tournament Videos:[ame=http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=hPh69IXBb3A]YouTube - ç¬¬äºŒå›ž ã•ã„ãŸã¾å¤§ä¼š Block X Game 01 ãŸãƒžPO(Alice) vs æœ‰å<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />€ã‚„ã¾(Meirin)[/ame][ame=http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=rR7orBNuJwg]YouTube - ç¬¬äºŒå›ž ã•ã„ãŸã¾å¤§ä¼š Block X Game 03 ãŸãƒžPO(Alice) vs YOUZI(Yukari)[/ame][ame=http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=-yfU2gdzv90]YouTube - SWR-demo: JP-tournament; TamaZO(Alice) vs Dorzi(Aya) D3[/ame][ame=http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=jSXULYwd6g4]SWR-demo: JP-tournament; TamaZO(Alice) vs Kai(Marisa) D2[/ame]More <a href="http://ca.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=B6258730F9F72A7D" target="_blank">here</a>.[/sblock]The grenade dolls should be easy to represent.  They come with varying levels of power, and maybe push or knock prone.  The spinner dolls can be zone burst 1 in range X powers (larger bursts for the multi-spinner doll abilities) that last until either the end of your next turn or the turn after the end of your next turn.  It may be difficult to represent the delay-firing mechanism.   It could be an instant fire with a condition (perhaps combat advantage, -AC/+Attack, or immobilizing/dazing/stunning) that ends at the end of your next turn, or it could be some sort of 1 square zone (for bullet-firing puppets) or an X-square wall (for the delay lance puppets) that applies damage and a condition at the beginning of your next turn.  The direct lance puppet effects (dealing damage and knockback) are probably better left to the "master" puppet.  Other ideas include some form of movement utility with the small puppets dragging the character places and some form of AC booster from the blocking puppets.The biggest problem would be explaining where all these dolls and puppets come from.  D&D doesn't have bullet space, unfortunately.EDIT: Although, hmm.  I think I have some different thoughts on making a puppeteer class, so perhaps I'll post a different version when I get mine done.</blockquote>

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