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<blockquote data-quote="MostlyHarmless42" data-source="post: 9790084" data-attributes="member: 6845520"><p>I understand what you are trying to say, and I'll agree to disagree that a dragon rider subclass is problematic or weird (it has just as much game history as the bladesinger wizard, if not more so), though even <em>if</em> we are accepting that the addition of the dragon pet to the PDK/banneret wasn't great there is still one fundamental issue: they didn't preview the kneejerk reversion to the public for feedback. I get that book deadlines are a thing and all, but I've read the "new" version. IT STILL SUCKS. </p><p></p><p>The previous banneret was considered one of the WORST designed subclasses in all of 5e, except for perhaps maybe the 4 elements monk. It was consistently spoken of by the community as complete garbage, if it was even remembered to exist at all. </p><p></p><p>This new iteration solves NONE of the issues of the previous suclass (primarily that all of it's features rely on using base features to have any effect at all). Yes, the changes to second wind and indomitable do help some, as does the subclass actually needing charisma now (though the optimizers will moan about it here, if they even bother to talk about the subclass at all), but the limitation of once per short rest is laughable and this entire subclass just screams "our leaders who actually made this edition quit wotc and now we've no clue what to do now". </p><p></p><p>And I've have historically been one of the biggest defenders of playing a Charisma fighter over a Paladin in the past on these forums. Fortunately, at least Daggerheart now exists. Now I just have to figure out how to <s>force</s> encourage my players to play it. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f914.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":unsure:" title="Unsure :unsure:" data-smilie="24"data-shortname=":unsure:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MostlyHarmless42, post: 9790084, member: 6845520"] I understand what you are trying to say, and I'll agree to disagree that a dragon rider subclass is problematic or weird (it has just as much game history as the bladesinger wizard, if not more so), though even [I]if[/I] we are accepting that the addition of the dragon pet to the PDK/banneret wasn't great there is still one fundamental issue: they didn't preview the kneejerk reversion to the public for feedback. I get that book deadlines are a thing and all, but I've read the "new" version. IT STILL SUCKS. The previous banneret was considered one of the WORST designed subclasses in all of 5e, except for perhaps maybe the 4 elements monk. It was consistently spoken of by the community as complete garbage, if it was even remembered to exist at all. This new iteration solves NONE of the issues of the previous suclass (primarily that all of it's features rely on using base features to have any effect at all). Yes, the changes to second wind and indomitable do help some, as does the subclass actually needing charisma now (though the optimizers will moan about it here, if they even bother to talk about the subclass at all), but the limitation of once per short rest is laughable and this entire subclass just screams "our leaders who actually made this edition quit wotc and now we've no clue what to do now". And I've have historically been one of the biggest defenders of playing a Charisma fighter over a Paladin in the past on these forums. Fortunately, at least Daggerheart now exists. Now I just have to figure out how to [S]force[/S] encourage my players to play it. :unsure: [/QUOTE]
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