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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Uchawi" data-source="post: 6740539" data-attributes="member: 6775000">And that is probably my biggest hang up with including 4E classes in 5E. It appears the developers have blinders on in reference to only including mechanical distinctions from 4E. And I understand the emphasis, because mechanically 4E is very simple in comparison to 5E; if you consider a 4E without all the bloat. Where I would like them to place mechanical considerations to the side, and just look at the feel for some of those classes like a warlord or shaman which can exist on their own. It does not mean we should ignore other editions. But you could take a warlord class and take all the related classes like cavalier, purple knight, marshall, etc. and have a class/subclass structure. The same could be stated for the Assasin, or Sword Mage.Where new classes would keep the game simple and easy to learn, they are now stacking on subclasses onto existing classes.</blockquote>