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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Remathilis" data-source="post: 6745035" data-attributes="member: 7635">Well, at least we both agree that "nonmagical magic spells" is a terrible idea, even if not for exact same reasons. Its its fine, I don't most of your post seriously either. (I keed, I keed). Again, people focus on the example rather than the message. Being able to replicate a SPELL and ignore the SPELL COMPONENTS is a power upgrade, however small and corner-case, vs. a spellcaster. Your giving The NMSC (NonMagicalSpellCaster) the potential ability to ignore S and M components that any caster needs to abide by. On Healing Word, that's not a big deal. On Revivify, Stoneskin, or abilities like that, its strictly better. Trust me, if a warlord gets "revivify" for free and a cleric costs 300 gp per casting, I know which one I will take every time, constricted options or no. So, just like Concentration then, except even more restrained since even clerics can cast other non-Concentration spells and cantrips while maintaining concentration, plus it can be blocked by a silence spell.Seems legit.  Not if it works like Fireball; point of impact = kablooey. If your suggesting that it work differently than fireball, you're no longer using Fireball But Nonmagical, you're writing up a new power, which I thought was IAAB was trying to avoid. My point was that if people complained about 4e being samey, give nonmagicals "spells" and see what happens... Pretty much. Well, we're justifying nonmagical Healing Word and Nonmagical Bless, why not Nonmagical Meteor Swarm or Nonmagical Wish or Nonmagical Teleport?My point was that come 2010, WotC was moving away from the "One Size Fits All" method of class design. First with Psionics, then with Essential Martials. Why go back to that? You can sell people a lot of things that might be better, but if they don't want it, it doesn't matter. One-Size-Fits-All class design failed to make a dent in the larger fanbase, and come 2010 WotC was beginning to acknowledge that. There are lots of systems that do that well, I mentioned M&M for example; but that isn't D&D for most. I love how anytime a comment on 4e is made, its edition warring. It makes talking to you soooo much fun...Least we both agree its a terrible idea.</blockquote>

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