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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 6749162" data-attributes="member: 22779">I think the difference here, though, is you actually get a blade singer that apparently makes everyone happy.  I haven't seen too many complaints about it from blade singer fans.  No one is saying that the blade singer is only half the concept that is expected.  OTOH, I think most people who want a warlord agree that currently, you only get about 60% of a warlord, no matter what you try to do in 5e.  You just can't get a whole warlord, yet........As far as "no new classes" goes, well, psionics blows that out of the water doesn't it?  WOTC has already shown that they are more than willing to add some new classes to the game.  So, arguing that we can't get a warlord because of some notion of "no new classes" doesn't really wash.  And, I'd argue that warlords are as different from base classes as psionics are.  There are very strong reasons to fold psionics into core classes, and strong reasons not to.  Very similar arguments can be and have been made for and against a warlord class.........PDK suffers the same issue as the Battlemaster.  It's only about 60% of what a Warlord does.  And, I think to non-warlord fans, especially to those opposed to the warlord on its face, there is a notion that that should be good enough.  They look at the Battlemaster or the PDK and say, "well, that's doing most of the things that a warlord does, what's the problem?"  The problem is, it only does about 60% of what a warlord does.  A warlord should not be a front line combatant.  A PDK, and any fighter type, is very much a front line combatant.  Why does a support class need four attacks per round?  Why does a support class need weapon focus?  Shouldn't a support class be doing it's thing most rounds?  I mean, we have casters casting spells every single round now - there's virtually no reason for a sorcerer or a wizard to even carry a weapon anymore.  So, shouldn't a class based around support be doing its thing at least the majority of rounds?  This is why the Battlemaster doesn't work.  Sure, you can make a Battlemaster that grants bonus HP, grants attacks and grants movement.  All very warlordy stuff.  But, at say, 8th level, he can only do it 5 times per short rest.  If you presume 10 rounds of combat per rest period (not an unreasonable assumption), at best he's doing warlordy stuff half the time.  That's at best.  More likely, he's blown through his dice in 3 rounds, and spends the next 7 being a sub-par fighter.It is not unreasonable to expect a class to do it's schtick more than 50% of the time.</blockquote>

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