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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 6749211" data-attributes="member: 996">I question that 60%, but OK, if you're counting /everything/ not just uniquely-Warlordy or support-oriented things....The PDK does two warlordy things, it restores hps via inspiration (1/rest, in a trivial amount), and it grants an ally an extra attack (at 10th level, 1/rest).  The Battlemaster can do three things from 3rd level, but only 2/rest.  Contrast that with a 1st level 4e Warlord, that, even coming from a game where the most versatile and flexible classes don't hold a candle to their 5e counterparts, can do five: two at-will, one 2/encounter, 1/encounter & 1/day.  Is that 3 out of 5 where you're getting 60% for the Battlemaster?  At first level, even in 5e with 'Apprentice tier,' just about any class gets something vaguely class-defining it can do, and do all day.  Fighters get their Style, Casters get cantrips, Monks unarmed attacks, etc.  No Warlord class means doing nothing remotely Warlord-like until 3rd (for an archetype) or 4th (for a feat).  In 4e, the Warlord got at-wills, so it could do something warlordly every round, from 1st level on.  It was 100% Warlord in play, not just in concept or in theory or for the sake of argument.  A PDK, at 3rd level, has one warlordish trick, 1/rest.  A Battlemaster can choose up to 3 but only use em 2/rest.  For easy numbers, lets assume a 20 round day (a 4-encounter 4e day averaging 5 rounds, or a 6-encounter 5e day averaging a little over 3), that's estimating pretty low, which favors the 5e sub-classes, and we can assume the typical 2 short rests.  The PDK plays Warlord 3 rounds out of 20.  The Battlemaster, doubles that 6/20.   Not looking good.Then consider the range of possible characters.  A PDK offers no choices - you get 2 warlordly abilities, one at 3rd, one at 10th.  The sub-class represents one possible warlord-lite.   The Battlemaster has 4 arguably-warlord-like maneuvers.  He chooses 3 at 3rd level, so, if being as Warlordly as possible, that means there are 4 possible characters, based on the one maneuver each doesn't choose.  Contrast that to even a 1st level 4e Warlord: choose one presence out of two (2 possibilities) * two at wills out of for (6 possibilities) * one out of four encounters (4) * one out of four dailies (4) = 192 possible combinations for your 1st-level Warlord.</blockquote>

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