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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Imaro" data-source="post: 6750831" data-attributes="member: 48965">And an all martial party is playable using just the PH1 of 5e.  Also inherent bonuses officially came out over 2 years later Dark Sun was released in Aug of 2010... the PHB was released in June of 2008.  I also thinks it's a little skewed when just looking at timeframe... how much other stuff was covered before WotC decided to enable a no-magic campaign?  Tons... thus my point... even 4e didn't prioritize this playstyle above things like psionics, PH3 was released first.   Eh, most of the complaints I saw were about play styles that 4e's rules hindered... such as resource management play or multiple combat attrition.     This in no way explains the necessity of using a derogatory term for those who disliked 4e (as well as using it again above) while continuously professing to be better than those you continue insulting... That's real classy...</blockquote>