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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 6756932" data-attributes="member: 996">You missed the point.  'Save' doesn't mean the same thing in 5e that it did in 4e.  A 5e 'save' is like an inverted attack roll against a defense that may or may not scale with level.  It's not only possible, but likely, to have 5e save DCs that are very hard or very easy to make.  4e 'saves' were virtual coin-tosses, 55% chance of success in most cases.  Repeating a nearly impossible or virtually certain save every round is very different from repeating a 50/50 save every round.So you're saying I should be arguing for more inclusion, and that because I should be arguing for more, I'm asking for too much?  Weird.That's the point.  We need the Warlord at least as much as we needed the Sorcerer, and we have the Sorcerer. It would be easy enough to argue that any given class already in 5e is 'not needed' to the same or even a much greater degree.  So that's a meaningless objection.And we should.  There's good reasons to do so - it opens up currently un-supported and under-supported playstyles, and it's inclusive in a positive way.  There are no valid reasons not to do so (every reason anyone's come up with is either spurious edition war propaganda or applies to an even greater extent to other classes already in the game  - or both).I also prefer not to read that intent into the Warlord being the only class that was in the PH1 to be excluded from the 5e PH.  Unfortunately, that exclusion ongoing resistance among fans unwilling to embrace 5e's vision of inclusiveness, does create the appearance of exactly that negative intent.  That appearance is corrosive.  It makes 5e look like "D&D: The H4ter Edition."  Perpetuating that appearance is bad for both the game and the community.There's lots of little bits taken from 4e, as there are from every prior edition, but they don't add up to enough support for those character concepts and play styles that 4e supported for the first time.  The addition of the Warlord would be a step in that direction.</blockquote>

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