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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Sadras" data-source="post: 6758440" data-attributes="member: 6688277">I believe you 'forgot' that conditions were fairly common and easy to impose in 4e, hence the 50/50 coin toss. As I said the systems are different, but like 4e, 5e dealt with the save or suck by having this once per round saving throw. I'm saying WoTC actually did a great job with its inclusion of 4e mechanics (even if they evolved to suit the system) and that those stating that the exclusion of the Warlord is not some show of bad faith will never be satisfied. You're actually equating the D&D concept/mythos of the Warlord to the Sorcerer? Let us investigate those.Which ones?You believe 4e players who haven't switched to 5e already, will switch after they see a 5e warlord? Really, cause I strongly disagree.Those sticking to 4e - love the system not a singular class. If a class is the only reason people are not switching to 5e then those people are very much like those who said that if the tiefling/dragonborn, warlord, DoaM./..etc was included they would not buy 5e.The community could do with less hard-liners on either side.  I believe your continued dismissal and watering down of 4e innovativeness within 5e is bad for the community. I believe posts like this, where you say "It makes 5e look like "D&D: The H4ter Edition" is bad for the community.  Out of interest how did you measure that?</blockquote>