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<blockquote data-quote="(Psi)SeveredHead" data-source="post: 6422665" data-attributes="member: 1165">This isn't really a tough fight for the PCs. It's getting two actions per round, compared to five. There's no reason you can't use more, perhaps down-levelling them slightly. For a hard encounter for these PCs, you're looking at 4000 XP. An umber hulk is about 1400 XP. Given its high AC, it could be frustrating for the martial PCs, too. So I'd recommend downlevelling the umber hulk to 800 XP 9th-level versions, maybe some not being soldiers: 5 elite 9th-level umber hulks are also worth 4000 XP.Don't forget combos. Standard umber hulks daze, so some &quot;new&quot; umber hulk skirmishers with the combat advantage ability would seriously up the challenge level.Also, the original umber hulk is pre-MM3. I don't know if there's a new version. If you're down-leveling it, then you have the opportunity to calculate its damage from scratch anyway.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="(Psi)SeveredHead, post: 6422665, member: 1165"] This isn't really a tough fight for the PCs. It's getting two actions per round, compared to five. There's no reason you can't use more, perhaps down-levelling them slightly. For a hard encounter for these PCs, you're looking at 4000 XP. An umber hulk is about 1400 XP. Given its high AC, it could be frustrating for the martial PCs, too. So I'd recommend downlevelling the umber hulk to 800 XP 9th-level versions, maybe some not being soldiers: 5 elite 9th-level umber hulks are also worth 4000 XP. Don't forget combos. Standard umber hulks daze, so some "new" umber hulk skirmishers with the combat advantage ability would seriously up the challenge level. Also, the original umber hulk is pre-MM3. I don't know if there's a new version. If you're down-leveling it, then you have the opportunity to calculate its damage from scratch anyway. [/QUOTE]

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