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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DracoSuave" data-source="post: 4881011" data-attributes="member: 71571">Oath of Emnity says that, effectively speaking, I do.  -Every- argument about an Avenger's melee power has to come from the standpoint of rarely missing with it.  That oath adds -that much-, altho sometimes +4 if the target is off the 50% mark.What the rogue does to get higher precision is:A precise (+3) weapon?  Avengers can do that too.Combat Advantage?  That's hardly unique to rogues either.  Avengers like it too, and have the tools to exploit it.+1 to hit with daggers?  That's an interesting thing...See, at heroic level:You could look at it that Sneak attack adds bonus damage of 2d6, but really:Avenger's using a Mordenkrad... which is 2 points of average damage higher than 2d6.  The dagger does 1d4, which is .5 off from 2.The rogue is attacking with a +4 weapon, the avenger with a +2...Rogue does (7)+(2.5)+Dex+(Cha or Str)+enhancements.Avenger does (9)+Wis+enhancements...So really, what the Avenger loses in damage is 0.5+secondary attribute modifier in return for +2 to hit.On the other hand, the Avenger can make better use of [W] on encounter and dailies than rogues, and will use his Hit effects more often, and there are NO Avenger powers that don't have some nifty extra benefit.This is definately not a wash.  Oath of Emnity -is that good-.</blockquote>