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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Caliban" data-source="post: 4474506" data-attributes="member: 284">Wow, your being quite rude. The fake sarcasm tag doesn't make any less rude.  It is not a clearly stated rule. If it was, would actually state that damaging spell effects are Hindering Terrain. It does not state that anywhere.  If it was a clearly stated rule, it would also be mentioned in the PHB, on page 285 under the Forced Movement rules.  If it was a clearly stated rule, the Hindering Terrain definition on page 61 of the DMG would mention that you get a save. It does not.  And the whole section on terrain features is in the Building Encounters - do you use PC spells to build encounters?  Instead, the rule is mentioned on page 44 in the section on forced movement and terrain. The more I look into it, the more it seems like a few people are taking a rule out of its context and trying to apply it universally when it's meant specifically apply to terrain features, not temporary spell effects.  So no, I don't think that Customer Service is wrong in this instance. They have actually had a pretty good track record with 4e questions, which is a big improvement of their 3e answers. And quite frankly, I trust CS more than I trust your opinion right now.  So far all you and Goumin have done is chant "I'm right! I''m right!  Your wrong! Your wrong!".   Hardly convincing.</blockquote>