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<blockquote data-quote="wedgeski" data-source="post: 5373503" data-attributes="member: 16212">This is just a buy-in issue. If the players buy-in to what the DM is trying to achieve, a night where they're defending themselves in an unjust trial prosecuted by do-gooders looking for a conviction in ignorance of the bigger picture... then it will all work.If the players aren't of that type, then it won't. They'll whine and moan and claim their characters wouldn't want to help a town that didn't appreciate it, when it's possible or likely that it is in fact they, the players, who don't want to help such a place, whereas their heroic PC's would.Doing the right thing under adversity, and receiving no praise, recognition, or accolade for it, is often the literary standard of true heroism.The media examples you cite annoy me too... well, except for the Gremlins one, where Billy and his girlfriend are nice people trying to do the right thing under adversity.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="wedgeski, post: 5373503, member: 16212"] This is just a buy-in issue. If the players buy-in to what the DM is trying to achieve, a night where they're defending themselves in an unjust trial prosecuted by do-gooders looking for a conviction in ignorance of the bigger picture... then it will all work. If the players aren't of that type, then it won't. They'll whine and moan and claim their characters wouldn't want to help a town that didn't appreciate it, when it's possible or likely that it is in fact they, the players, who don't want to help such a place, whereas their heroic PC's would. Doing the right thing under adversity, and receiving no praise, recognition, or accolade for it, is often the literary standard of true heroism. The media examples you cite annoy me too... well, except for the Gremlins one, where Billy and his girlfriend are nice people trying to do the right thing under adversity. [/QUOTE]

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