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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Haltherrion" data-source="post: 5375657" data-attributes="member: 18253">Not sure I'd charactize my objections as 'whining and moaning' but I don't think I'd be very happy as a player with this situation in nearly all cases. (And 'whining and moaning' is also what ref's call player reactions when the ref does something the players don't like even if the players have a point. I.e., the ref will whine and moan about those stick-in-the-mud, unimaginitive players who just don't get what a creative, cool ref I am.) You are correct this is an issue of buy-in but to get me as a player to buy into a trial like this, it would take a lot of set up. Without it, it would feel like a railroad. And frankly, this sort of reaction from the NPCs, while in a few cases understandable, is annoying and in-character, I'd be with the OP: I'd blow this joint and find another place to adventure. If that meant the ref had to come up with a new place for the campaign to focus on, well, as I ref I can understand the annoyance factor for that but, as an accomodating ref, I'd grin and bear it, having felt I took a risk with the players and basically overplayed the situation.</blockquote>