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<blockquote data-quote="SnowleopardVK" data-source="post: 5599777" data-attributes="member: 6677945"><p>I'd like to say I don't know why I keep joining in games with a certain friend of mine... I'd like to say that, but I know exactly why I do. It's because there's not enough players of RPGs near me in real life to get a good-sized group together without him.</p><p></p><p>He's just... Annoying as a player though. Presumably as a DM/GM/ST too, but I haven't experienced enough games with him in charge to say for sure. I guess it'd be nice to know how others deal with certain annoying things other players do.</p><p></p><p>The most common "offence" I think is that as a player, he basically always plays the exact same character; a lone-wolf style werewolf exiled from the pack, quiet but somewhat of a jerk, and with a grudge against humanity (and yes, he does this even in games that don't have werewolves, he basically does it by just not saying the word werewolf and then acting exactly the same. Or sometimes by convincing the GM to let him insert his own werewolf templates into the setting). Now I'd understand playing similar characters repeatedly for new players, or repeating character types you enjoy on occasion but he's had years of experience with various RPGs. I've only played a few different games with him so far and already his characters are beginning to wear thin. He NEVER plays anything else.</p><p></p><p>Second most annoying is his one-system tendencies. I've heard more than enough from him about how Werewolf: The Apocalypse is the best RPG there is, how it's better than the other games among old WoD (Vampire, Mage, etc.), how new WoD is horrible, and about all of the things that are wrong with every RPG that isn't old WoD. Frankly I'm starting to wonder why he's so eager to play every time somebody announces they're running a Pathfinder campaign, or Vampire: The Requiem, or anything else really.</p><p></p><p>Third, and perhaps worst, is a sort of know-it-all attitude. It's like he can't make it through each minute without reminding the others that he knows things. If somebody asks a question, he'll immediately cut in with the answer every time. If somebody mentions that they're going to use a feat he'll tell them what to roll even if he's not the GM and they clearly already knew what to roll. This is worst when he tries to answer questions that were directed to the GM and starts quoting things that the GM has altered or ignored for the current campaign. My personal pet peeve among his habits though is when them GM beats him to the punch at explaining something and he insists on explaining it anyways immediately after the GM's explanation. The GM does a good, clear job of it and the player who asks understands, then he cuts in with a comparison of the situation to how the mafia works, or some other thing that neither he, nor anybody else at the table really understands. It just makes things more confusing.</p><p></p><p>What's annoying is that every other player and GM among my friends is either less experienced, or for a reason I can't understand, puts up with him. So I don't know what to do. Do I try to put up with him to, and keep having my comments about "you've told me that about WtA already" or "maybe you should leave the explaining to the GM" ignored? Is there perhaps a better way to get it through to him that the other players don't seem to enjoy how he acts? Should I just stop playing with him even though it's hard to make a good-sized group around here without including him? What do you guys think?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="SnowleopardVK, post: 5599777, member: 6677945"] I'd like to say I don't know why I keep joining in games with a certain friend of mine... I'd like to say that, but I know exactly why I do. It's because there's not enough players of RPGs near me in real life to get a good-sized group together without him. He's just... Annoying as a player though. Presumably as a DM/GM/ST too, but I haven't experienced enough games with him in charge to say for sure. I guess it'd be nice to know how others deal with certain annoying things other players do. The most common "offence" I think is that as a player, he basically always plays the exact same character; a lone-wolf style werewolf exiled from the pack, quiet but somewhat of a jerk, and with a grudge against humanity (and yes, he does this even in games that don't have werewolves, he basically does it by just not saying the word werewolf and then acting exactly the same. Or sometimes by convincing the GM to let him insert his own werewolf templates into the setting). Now I'd understand playing similar characters repeatedly for new players, or repeating character types you enjoy on occasion but he's had years of experience with various RPGs. I've only played a few different games with him so far and already his characters are beginning to wear thin. He NEVER plays anything else. Second most annoying is his one-system tendencies. I've heard more than enough from him about how Werewolf: The Apocalypse is the best RPG there is, how it's better than the other games among old WoD (Vampire, Mage, etc.), how new WoD is horrible, and about all of the things that are wrong with every RPG that isn't old WoD. Frankly I'm starting to wonder why he's so eager to play every time somebody announces they're running a Pathfinder campaign, or Vampire: The Requiem, or anything else really. Third, and perhaps worst, is a sort of know-it-all attitude. It's like he can't make it through each minute without reminding the others that he knows things. If somebody asks a question, he'll immediately cut in with the answer every time. If somebody mentions that they're going to use a feat he'll tell them what to roll even if he's not the GM and they clearly already knew what to roll. This is worst when he tries to answer questions that were directed to the GM and starts quoting things that the GM has altered or ignored for the current campaign. My personal pet peeve among his habits though is when them GM beats him to the punch at explaining something and he insists on explaining it anyways immediately after the GM's explanation. The GM does a good, clear job of it and the player who asks understands, then he cuts in with a comparison of the situation to how the mafia works, or some other thing that neither he, nor anybody else at the table really understands. It just makes things more confusing. What's annoying is that every other player and GM among my friends is either less experienced, or for a reason I can't understand, puts up with him. So I don't know what to do. Do I try to put up with him to, and keep having my comments about "you've told me that about WtA already" or "maybe you should leave the explaining to the GM" ignored? Is there perhaps a better way to get it through to him that the other players don't seem to enjoy how he acts? Should I just stop playing with him even though it's hard to make a good-sized group around here without including him? What do you guys think? [/QUOTE]
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