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<blockquote data-quote="Argyle King" data-source="post: 6261595" data-attributes="member: 58416"><p>Does it not at all seem strange though that one PC of level 3 could nearly kill the rest of the party?</p><p></p><p>Honestly, I'm at a point where I see it as senseless to even engage in D&D discussions anymore because this thread and others have shown that what I want from a rpg is obviously vastly different than what D&D can (or wants) to offer. Even so, I suppose I'm baffled at how -even in a game where PvP is not a focus- one PC so easily being able to kill the rest is somehow not seen as an issue. I'm likewise baffled at how many of the issues raised in other threads are seen as none issues. Do I expect D&D to be a completely different game? Certainly, I do not. There are different rpgs for a reason. I'm just having a really hard time with the idea that 5th Edition seemingly cannot be criticized without the fault somehow being the person; never the game. I'd like to believe it is not strange for me to find a problem with some the things I find problems with. At the end of the day, I'm starting to feel as though D&D is starting to have some similarities with the Call of Duty video game brand, and I don't mean that in a good way. What I mean by that is that the company can shell out just about anything which bears the brand name, and it will likely be purchased; any complaints about quality will be marked as something being wrong with the user. </p><p></p><p>I'm just one guy, and a guy on a message board at that. Realistically, my choice to play or not play D&D probably won't matter at all. I suppose the weight of the fact that I seem to be so out of touch with the game of D&D and the fanbase of the game has just recently hit me full on today. I'm not in any way saddened by it or upset. I suppose, I just simply don't understand. I don't understand how I can be the only person who feels the way I do or finds an issue with parts of the game. Since I do seem to be so out of touch, I wonder if participating in the playtest ever really mattered at all. Why did I bother to vote in any of the polls? </p><p></p><p>It seems I likely chose a poor subject for my thread. A PvP situation is what highlighted some of the issues I see with the game, but it goes beyond PvP. From where I'm standing right now, 5th hasn't provided me with a better game than what I have with 3rd or 4th. Sure, there are aspects of the game I like, but it also seems to have somehow captured the problems that I had with both of the previous editions without really being either. Maybe the full version of the game will be different, but somehow I don't see that it will be. I don't see that it will be because, as I said, I'm just one guy in the crowd. The rest of the crowd seems to want to keep going in the direction the game is going in. That's fine. I don't begrudge anyone for enjoying what they do. Many people likely find it strange that I enjoy some of the games I enjoy. Though, it still somehow surprises me that my current view of D&D; the things I see as problems... that my view of the game is so seemingly radically different from others. It seems strange that there seems to be this attitude that there cannot possibly be a problem with 5th edition; I'm not convinced that attitude is healthy or has been healthy during the construction of a game which asked for fan feedback. That's just the opinion of this one guy; if other people are enjoy it, and the company makes money it, then I suppose I am the one who is doing it wrong.</p><p></p><p>Thankfully, I live in an age where I can be 'doing it wrong' with a wide variety of other games. That doesn't mean I won't still follow D&D or pay attention. I expect I'll still end up playing the game at some point since many of my friends are gamers, so having knowledge of the game is helpful. I'll also be curious to see whether the faults I find with the game now are things which don't exist in the final product... or perhaps they will, and I won't be alone in feeling the way I do about some aspects of the game after all.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Argyle King, post: 6261595, member: 58416"] Does it not at all seem strange though that one PC of level 3 could nearly kill the rest of the party? Honestly, I'm at a point where I see it as senseless to even engage in D&D discussions anymore because this thread and others have shown that what I want from a rpg is obviously vastly different than what D&D can (or wants) to offer. Even so, I suppose I'm baffled at how -even in a game where PvP is not a focus- one PC so easily being able to kill the rest is somehow not seen as an issue. I'm likewise baffled at how many of the issues raised in other threads are seen as none issues. Do I expect D&D to be a completely different game? Certainly, I do not. There are different rpgs for a reason. I'm just having a really hard time with the idea that 5th Edition seemingly cannot be criticized without the fault somehow being the person; never the game. I'd like to believe it is not strange for me to find a problem with some the things I find problems with. At the end of the day, I'm starting to feel as though D&D is starting to have some similarities with the Call of Duty video game brand, and I don't mean that in a good way. What I mean by that is that the company can shell out just about anything which bears the brand name, and it will likely be purchased; any complaints about quality will be marked as something being wrong with the user. I'm just one guy, and a guy on a message board at that. Realistically, my choice to play or not play D&D probably won't matter at all. I suppose the weight of the fact that I seem to be so out of touch with the game of D&D and the fanbase of the game has just recently hit me full on today. I'm not in any way saddened by it or upset. I suppose, I just simply don't understand. I don't understand how I can be the only person who feels the way I do or finds an issue with parts of the game. Since I do seem to be so out of touch, I wonder if participating in the playtest ever really mattered at all. Why did I bother to vote in any of the polls? It seems I likely chose a poor subject for my thread. A PvP situation is what highlighted some of the issues I see with the game, but it goes beyond PvP. From where I'm standing right now, 5th hasn't provided me with a better game than what I have with 3rd or 4th. Sure, there are aspects of the game I like, but it also seems to have somehow captured the problems that I had with both of the previous editions without really being either. Maybe the full version of the game will be different, but somehow I don't see that it will be. I don't see that it will be because, as I said, I'm just one guy in the crowd. The rest of the crowd seems to want to keep going in the direction the game is going in. That's fine. I don't begrudge anyone for enjoying what they do. Many people likely find it strange that I enjoy some of the games I enjoy. Though, it still somehow surprises me that my current view of D&D; the things I see as problems... that my view of the game is so seemingly radically different from others. It seems strange that there seems to be this attitude that there cannot possibly be a problem with 5th edition; I'm not convinced that attitude is healthy or has been healthy during the construction of a game which asked for fan feedback. That's just the opinion of this one guy; if other people are enjoy it, and the company makes money it, then I suppose I am the one who is doing it wrong. Thankfully, I live in an age where I can be 'doing it wrong' with a wide variety of other games. That doesn't mean I won't still follow D&D or pay attention. I expect I'll still end up playing the game at some point since many of my friends are gamers, so having knowledge of the game is helpful. I'll also be curious to see whether the faults I find with the game now are things which don't exist in the final product... or perhaps they will, and I won't be alone in feeling the way I do about some aspects of the game after all. [/QUOTE]
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