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<blockquote data-quote="Plane Sailing" data-source="post: 4712790" data-attributes="member: 114">No, seriously. It was all there on one page, and seemed straightforward. I've never understood what the problem (lampooned so often) was with grappling.Sure, the mechanics of grappling colossal or gargantuan creatures was stacked against the PCs - but we always saw that as verisimilitude rather than a problem.4e lacking pin (and with grab being so easy to escape from) makes it hardly ever seem worth trying, and the fact that we have to look it up each time (because it is strength vs reflex, sustain minor, but strength vs fortitude to do this and they make acrobatics vs one skill or athletics vs a different skill - it just seems more fiddly to us, that's all.It is one of the things we laugh about - that they claimed that 3e grappling was too hard and so they made it simpler and we continually stumble over something now which never used to give us trouble at all <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Cheers</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Plane Sailing, post: 4712790, member: 114"] No, seriously. It was all there on one page, and seemed straightforward. I've never understood what the problem (lampooned so often) was with grappling. Sure, the mechanics of grappling colossal or gargantuan creatures was stacked against the PCs - but we always saw that as verisimilitude rather than a problem. 4e lacking pin (and with grab being so easy to escape from) makes it hardly ever seem worth trying, and the fact that we have to look it up each time (because it is strength vs reflex, sustain minor, but strength vs fortitude to do this and they make acrobatics vs one skill or athletics vs a different skill - it just seems more fiddly to us, that's all. It is one of the things we laugh about - that they claimed that 3e grappling was too hard and so they made it simpler and we continually stumble over something now which never used to give us trouble at all :) Cheers [/QUOTE]

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