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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 6204764" data-attributes="member: 2525">I am not confusing anything, and that's probably not a wise way to phrase it.  It's either fixed DC vs variable saving roll, or variable attack roll versus fixed AC.  Both are one variable d20 roll vs. one fixed armor/difficulty class number. The only difference is who is rolling the 20 sided die and whose bonuses you apply to the 20 sided die, not the math.  So no, no confusion there.Just like melee attacks depend on the melee attack - exactly zero difference there.If you can target the creature, then fireball does half damage.  Cover either prevented targeting from the origin spot, or it did not - same with a melee attack.  You have to be able to target something to impact it with either an area of attack spell or a melee attack.  No difference at all there, in fact it's the same rule for both.  Why does it make more sense that the fighter with the special ability to do that same thing? You seem to be saying the target rolling the d20 instead of the attacker is the only difference.  I grant you that's a difference, but I am failing to understand why it is a meaningful one.</blockquote>