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Q&A 10/17/13 - Crits, Damage on Miss, Wildshape
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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 6206244" data-attributes="member: 4937"><p>This is great rationalization, and for particular assumptions about what is fighting it's perfectly reasonable.  But not all fights in D&D involve combats between two skilled, heavily armored, combatants in close melee.</p><p></p><p>Basically, in D&D up to say 3.X a modified roll of less than 5 represents a complete whiff and a complete failure to solidly hit anything.  This can be seen because a Dex 1 creature with no armor would still be missed under these conditions under every version of the game.</p><p></p><p>Likewise, the target of blows in D&D isn't always a heavily armored humanoid.  You might be trying to land a blow with a poisoned dagger on a nimble fairy creature that is darting around like a hummingbird and blowing raspberries at you.   Nothing prevents such a creature from having a 25 AC (-5 AC in 1e) based solely on its small size and quickness, and nothing to do with armor.  In this case, there are no superficial hits and its perfectly reasonable that most attacks result in whiffed swings.  </p><p></p><p>So no it is not at all reasonable to suggest that even misses are making superficial contact.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Sure.  That's perfectly plausible.   What isn't plausible under the rules is that all misses are actually superficial hits.  It is perfectly plausible that misses which are in fact glancing blows with heavy weapons do some damage, but not all misses are glancing blows.  Some misses are according to the rules and the color of the game whiffs.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 6206244, member: 4937"] This is great rationalization, and for particular assumptions about what is fighting it's perfectly reasonable. But not all fights in D&D involve combats between two skilled, heavily armored, combatants in close melee. Basically, in D&D up to say 3.X a modified roll of less than 5 represents a complete whiff and a complete failure to solidly hit anything. This can be seen because a Dex 1 creature with no armor would still be missed under these conditions under every version of the game. Likewise, the target of blows in D&D isn't always a heavily armored humanoid. You might be trying to land a blow with a poisoned dagger on a nimble fairy creature that is darting around like a hummingbird and blowing raspberries at you. Nothing prevents such a creature from having a 25 AC (-5 AC in 1e) based solely on its small size and quickness, and nothing to do with armor. In this case, there are no superficial hits and its perfectly reasonable that most attacks result in whiffed swings. So no it is not at all reasonable to suggest that even misses are making superficial contact. Sure. That's perfectly plausible. What isn't plausible under the rules is that all misses are actually superficial hits. It is perfectly plausible that misses which are in fact glancing blows with heavy weapons do some damage, but not all misses are glancing blows. Some misses are according to the rules and the color of the game whiffs. [/QUOTE]
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