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<blockquote data-quote="bogmad" data-source="post: 6209759" data-attributes="member: 6695559">You're not wrong on any of this, but when you started playing as a kid did you start with thinking about fiat tokens and 6 second (or minute) rounds when you roll a dice to attack, or did you think in your mind &quot;I swing at the orc. [rolls]Dang, I missed&quot;? Maybe later when you thought about mechanics and realism you though &quot;wait, but if I got hit just once I'd be so dead. Maybe hit points means something different&quot; and then we get all the vagueness.&nbsp; Me though, and -I know it's anecdotal but I'd argue- most people I know thought of a hit as a weapon connecting with something.&nbsp; We thought of hit points as connected as to how many &quot;hits&quot; you could take.&nbsp; If you want to say hps are abstract, fine.&nbsp; If you want to say they're not, any you're willing to accept [as we constantly do in movies and video games] that each &quot;hit&quot; actually connects and somehow a single blow doesn't kill someone. Fine. The game works both ways.Arguing for mechanics that ONLY fit process sim mechanics or ONLY fit this fiat token argument [or whatever the two sides we're arguing here are] doesn't really work {edit:}to create a broad flexible game for &quot;everyone&quot;{/}.&nbsp; Have broad simple rules that fit most general cases for &quot;process sim&quot; and when that doesn't work [like a specific case where a pixie has high AC cuz of DEX, etc] justify via fiat, or let the people who are really serious about process sim either houserule,&nbsp; or use an advanced module.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="bogmad, post: 6209759, member: 6695559"] You're not wrong on any of this, but when you started playing as a kid did you start with thinking about fiat tokens and 6 second (or minute) rounds when you roll a dice to attack, or did you think in your mind "I swing at the orc. [rolls]Dang, I missed"? Maybe later when you thought about mechanics and realism you though "wait, but if I got hit just once I'd be so dead. Maybe hit points means something different" and then we get all the vagueness. Me though, and -I know it's anecdotal but I'd argue- most people I know thought of a hit as a weapon connecting with something. We thought of hit points as connected as to how many "hits" you could take. If you want to say hps are abstract, fine. If you want to say they're not, any you're willing to accept [as we constantly do in movies and video games] that each "hit" actually connects and somehow a single blow doesn't kill someone. Fine. The game works both ways. Arguing for mechanics that ONLY fit process sim mechanics or ONLY fit this fiat token argument [or whatever the two sides we're arguing here are] doesn't really work {edit:}to create a broad flexible game for "everyone"{/}. Have broad simple rules that fit most general cases for "process sim" and when that doesn't work [like a specific case where a pixie has high AC cuz of DEX, etc] justify via fiat, or let the people who are [I]really serious[/I] about process sim either houserule, or use an advanced module. [/QUOTE]

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