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Message: <blockquote data-quote="urLordy" data-source="post: 6217074" data-attributes="member: 6747028">That's true, I was overly generalizing, but that was in context to the previous post(s). Like you say, there is a schism that can't be denied. I don't know Dungeon World, so I couldn't comment. But how about the gamist concerns too? If you don't have rules for a druid in bird shape other than flying from A to B, and it's left to the game table, and the druid dominates certain exploration quests, that wouldn't be a problem only if D&D wasn't focused on balance and/or the gaming table accepts the burden of learning it the hard way. It's not like that with basketweaving -- if you don't have basketweaving rules, nobody worries about one player stealing the spotight during the basketweaving contests and crafting down-time.BTW, I'm not happy about complicated rules either. If there was one section in the PHB about creatures assuming different shapes, and this was referenced consistently regardless of wildshape or alter self or shape change or whatever, and then balance the game at that level, instead of individually balancing each class or spell ability and having to reference each spell description to remember the fantasy physics of it each ability, I think that would be simple and effect, but I don't know if that's doable.</blockquote>