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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DEFCON 1" data-source="post: 6130184" data-attributes="member: 7006">And this is precisely why I don't like the Fighter subclasses as presented.  Because these fluffy subclasses are basically overlaying on the backgrounds, which will cause no end to ridiculous combinations that can be chosen that make no actual in-game fiction sense, but get selected purely because of mechanical viability.You're a Bounty Hunter and you're a Gladiator?  You go out on the road earning a living tracking down people... while at the same time remaining at the gladiatorial arena learning all about how to fight.  Sure.  Those slavers always let their gladiators go out on vacation for a couple days to go do their "other job".  That makes perfect sense.You're a Samurai and a Guild Thief?  You are a noble warrior who upholds the Code of Bushido... but also currently works in a Thieve's Guild on your day off.  Uh huh.  That's a perfectly logical combination of two jobs you are currently doing and constantly learning.My feeling has not changed.  Too many character choices that have "fluffy" backstory to them just water ALL your choices down.  It becomes a dissonant soup that becomes as difficult to justify and explain as the 3E Fighter 5 / Rogue 5 / Ranger 3 / Wizard 2 / Arcane Archer 3 / Shadowdancer 2 character.It used to be so simple... your race was who you were born as.  Your class was how you fought and adventured.  Your kit/theme/prestige class was the fluffy descriptive twist to your class that basically just put a name and a mechanical benefit to the invented backstory of your character.  You were a Minstrel.  Or you were a Gladiator.  Or you were a Dwarven Defender.  Simple, descriptive, clean.But now with subclasses overlaying backgrounds overlapping specialties possibly overlapping prestige classes... it's a whole mess of fluff whose combinations can run completely counter to each other.I like clean.  I like clear.  And these fighter subclasses when overlayed on everything else we're now choosing from for character creation to me seems anything but.</blockquote>

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