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<blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 6237365" data-attributes="member: 2525">OK, fair enough.To be clear, my objection to SA immunity across a wide range of creatures is not related to being hobbled, or being lame in combat.&nbsp; My objection is that it implies rogue SA is based on them targeting known vital anatomy, and in purely damage-focused ways.&nbsp; I don't buy the &quot;rogues are educated in vital anatomy of all monsters, at first level&quot; nor do I buy &quot;they can only use that knowledge for combat purposes&quot;.&nbsp; It doesn't fit with the iconic image of a rogue as a sneaky dirty trickster who might well be entirely uneducated at first level.&nbsp; I just don't buy that a street thug knows the vital spot to strike a purple worm, otyugh, beholder, and dozens of other non-humanoid strange creatures.&nbsp; Where did they get this knowledge, and why do they all have that knowledge despite coming from such varied and unrelated backgrounds?On the other hand, I have a much easier time buying, &quot;rogues specialize in a sneaky, dirty tricks that take advantage of monsters who are distracted, allowing them to strike harder or faster or more during such distractions&quot;.&nbsp; It's not perfect, there are still flaws with that concept, but it makes more sense to me and is more easily adapted to varied backgrounds than the anatomy explanation that is implied by the limited sneak attack method.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mistwell, post: 6237365, member: 2525"] OK, fair enough. To be clear, my objection to SA immunity across a wide range of creatures is not related to being hobbled, or being lame in combat. My objection is that it implies rogue SA is based on them targeting known vital anatomy, and in purely damage-focused ways. I don't buy the "rogues are educated in vital anatomy of all monsters, at first level" nor do I buy "they can only use that knowledge for combat purposes". It doesn't fit with the iconic image of a rogue as a sneaky dirty trickster who might well be entirely uneducated at first level. I just don't buy that a street thug knows the vital spot to strike a purple worm, otyugh, beholder, and dozens of other non-humanoid strange creatures. Where did they get this knowledge, and why do they all have that knowledge despite coming from such varied and unrelated backgrounds? On the other hand, I have a much easier time buying, "rogues specialize in a sneaky, dirty tricks that take advantage of monsters who are distracted, allowing them to strike harder or faster or more during such distractions". It's not perfect, there are still flaws with that concept, but it makes more sense to me and is more easily adapted to varied backgrounds than the anatomy explanation that is implied by the limited sneak attack method. [/QUOTE]

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