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<blockquote data-quote="I'm A Banana" data-source="post: 6087667" data-attributes="member: 2067">I think you're missing optimism. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> Or at least, a lack of pessimism. TBH, so far, NEXT is giving all characters exactly one thing for &quot;stuff to do outside of combat&quot;: ability checks. Sometimes with a bonus. If a character gets anything else, it is because they have a special capacity in that area (a charming rogue or a wizard who casts enchantments or a cleric of love; a sneaky rogue or a wizard who uses illusions or a cleric of trickery). Fighters might get a bonus to STR checks or a bonus to CON checks (or both), or an automatic background, and that would be an out-of-combat bonus. Less than a specialist would get, but enough to characterize them as a &quot;determinator&quot; in any event that called for STR or CON checks (forced marches, bending bars/lifting gates, being exposed to the elements, etc.).Any more specific abilities I would imagine are going to be part of a bigger &quot;exploration&quot; or &quot;interaction&quot; module -- not necessary for playing the archetypal D&amp;D (where DM judgement handles those things), but for those who want it, useful. And we haven't seen those rules yet.I think the apparent lack of things for Fighters to do outside of combat is actually more about the lack of existence of any rules for anyone to do much of anything outside of combat (except for ability checks, sometimes with a bonus), than anything specific to Fighters. The only characters who do much outside of combat now are characters whose archetypes really depend on it, and even they ain't got much.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="I'm A Banana, post: 6087667, member: 2067"] I think you're missing optimism. ;) Or at least, a lack of pessimism. TBH, so far, NEXT is giving all characters exactly one thing for "stuff to do outside of combat": ability checks. Sometimes with a bonus. If a character gets anything else, it is because they have a special capacity in that area (a charming rogue or a wizard who casts enchantments or a cleric of love; a sneaky rogue or a wizard who uses illusions or a cleric of trickery). Fighters might get a bonus to STR checks or a bonus to CON checks (or both), or an automatic background, and that would be an out-of-combat bonus. Less than a specialist would get, but enough to characterize them as a "determinator" in any event that called for STR or CON checks (forced marches, bending bars/lifting gates, being exposed to the elements, etc.). Any more specific abilities I would imagine are going to be part of a bigger "exploration" or "interaction" module -- not necessary for playing the archetypal D&D (where DM judgement handles those things), but for those who want it, useful. And we haven't seen those rules yet. I think the apparent lack of things for Fighters to do outside of combat is actually more about the lack of existence of any rules for anyone to do much of anything outside of combat (except for ability checks, sometimes with a bonus), than anything specific to Fighters. The only characters who do much outside of combat now are characters whose archetypes really depend on it, and even they ain't got much. [/QUOTE]

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