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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 6199404" data-attributes="member: 4937">Lets say that there are no restrictions on multiclassing and no prerequisites.&nbsp; Well, if your thief has an 8 Wisdom, he's not technically forbidden from being a cleric, but in practice he is because even singing an orison correctly takes a 10 Wisdom.&nbsp; You end up being a cleric with no class features.&nbsp;&nbsp; So now, if you want to cast spells you have to start planning for the future.&nbsp; If you up and decide spontaneously to pick up a level of wizard, you end up a muddled mess.As I said, the only way to avoid that is remove all benefits and dependencies related to a class from the ability scores, which means that clerics have no reason particular to be high wisdom.&nbsp;&nbsp; In fact, with good Fort saves they might well be encouraged to dump stat wisdom.&nbsp;&nbsp; That isn't ideal either IMO.But considering your case of a Rogue that wants to multi-class into cleric spontaneously, my rules require only a minimum 11 Dex and a 12 Wisdom to make that combination.&nbsp; That is far from 'only paragons' are allowed to do it.&nbsp; You just have to be a bit above average.&nbsp;&nbsp; It sounds to me like the problem isn't so much prerequisites but rather that the particular implementation you are complaining about is too punishing and too strongly discourages multiclassing.&nbsp; That's hardly surprising.&nbsp;&nbsp; Almost every edition since 3e has featured far too much overreaction to the mistakes of the prior edition, rather than trying to find happy mediums.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 6199404, member: 4937"] Lets say that there are no restrictions on multiclassing and no prerequisites. Well, if your thief has an 8 Wisdom, he's not technically forbidden from being a cleric, but in practice he is because even singing an orison correctly takes a 10 Wisdom. You end up being a cleric with no class features. So now, if you want to cast spells you have to start planning for the future. If you up and decide spontaneously to pick up a level of wizard, you end up a muddled mess. As I said, the only way to avoid that is remove all benefits and dependencies related to a class from the ability scores, which means that clerics have no reason particular to be high wisdom. In fact, with good Fort saves they might well be encouraged to dump stat wisdom. That isn't ideal either IMO. But considering your case of a Rogue that wants to multi-class into cleric spontaneously, my rules require only a minimum 11 Dex and a 12 Wisdom to make that combination. That is far from 'only paragons' are allowed to do it. You just have to be a bit above average. It sounds to me like the problem isn't so much prerequisites but rather that the particular implementation you are complaining about is too punishing and too strongly discourages multiclassing. That's hardly surprising. Almost every edition since 3e has featured far too much overreaction to the mistakes of the prior edition, rather than trying to find happy mediums. [/QUOTE]

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