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<blockquote data-quote="Hypersmurf" data-source="post: 1032236" data-attributes="member: 1656">My preference is to have everyone keep a record of the hit points gained with each hit die, because strictly speaking, it's the more accurate way of figuring it out.I'm going to ignore the &quot;Max HP at 1st level&quot; rule for simplicity.I have two 2nd level Wizards.Wally rolls a 1 and a 4 for hit points.Warren rolls a 2 and a 3.If they both had Con 10:Willy's HP = 1+0=1, plus 4+0=4, for a total of 5.Warren's HP = 2+0=2, plus 3+0 = 3, for a total of 5.If they both had Con 8:Willy's HP = 1-1=0... but you can never gain less than 1 hit point with a new hit die, so 1-1=1, plus 4-1 = 3, for a total of 4.Warren's HP = 2-1=1, plus 3-1=2, for a total of 3.The whole point of the retroactive Con modifiers is that someone with their Con drained to 6 should have exactly the same max hit points as if they'd gone through since 1st level with a Con of 6.But by the rules, if Con 10 Willy and Warren have their Con drained to 8, they both drop their max from 5 to 3.&nbsp; But we've just seen that Willy's Max HP with Con 8 should be 4.If someone's kept track of their individual hit die rolls, I'll let them figure out their new max based on those rolls.&nbsp; If they haven't bothered, then they just lose one point per die.The official rule is simple... but it's also simplistic.-Hyp.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hypersmurf, post: 1032236, member: 1656"] My preference is to have everyone keep a record of the hit points gained with each hit die, because strictly speaking, it's the more accurate way of figuring it out. I'm going to ignore the "Max HP at 1st level" rule for simplicity. I have two 2nd level Wizards. Wally rolls a 1 and a 4 for hit points. Warren rolls a 2 and a 3. If they both had Con 10: Willy's HP = 1+0=1, plus 4+0=4, for a total of 5. Warren's HP = 2+0=2, plus 3+0 = 3, for a total of 5. If they both had Con 8: Willy's HP = 1-1=0... but you can never gain less than 1 hit point with a new hit die, so 1-1=1, plus 4-1 = 3, for a total of 4. Warren's HP = 2-1=1, plus 3-1=2, for a total of 3. The whole point of the retroactive Con modifiers is that someone with their Con drained to 6 should have exactly the same max hit points as if they'd gone through since 1st level with a Con of 6. But by the rules, if Con 10 Willy and Warren have their Con drained to 8, they both drop their max from 5 to 3. But we've just seen that Willy's Max HP with Con 8 should be 4. If someone's kept track of their individual hit die rolls, I'll let them figure out their new max based on those rolls. If they haven't bothered, then they just lose one point per die. The official rule is [i]simple[/i]... but it's also [i]simplistic[/i]. -Hyp. [/QUOTE]

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