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<blockquote data-quote="RuminDange" data-source="post: 2801990" data-attributes="member: 5412">Thanks for all the feedback.&nbsp; I was under the impression that an outsider could not become undead without changing the rules of adding templates....something I read in Savage Species I think, I'll have to look a the shadow description and/or umbral template a little closer and decide from there.&nbsp; Since I haven't had much time to read Libris Mortis cover to cover and only glanced at the book a few times since I got it, I hadn't seen the samples of undead outsiders in there, so now things can get really interesting IMC. The players have already hated the Mind Flayer Lich, now they might just really hate a balor one.&nbsp; <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/devious.png"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":]" title="Devious&nbsp; &nbsp; :]" data-shortname=":]" /> The player of the gensai is probably not going to be happy that he will rise as a shadow but at least he will not be alone. <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/devious.png"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":]" title="Devious&nbsp; &nbsp; :]" data-shortname=":]" /> RD</blockquote>

[QUOTE="RuminDange, post: 2801990, member: 5412"] Thanks for all the feedback. I was under the impression that an outsider could not become undead without changing the rules of adding templates....something I read in Savage Species I think, I'll have to look a the shadow description and/or umbral template a little closer and decide from there. Since I haven't had much time to read Libris Mortis cover to cover and only glanced at the book a few times since I got it, I hadn't seen the samples of undead outsiders in there, so now things can get really interesting IMC. The players have already hated the Mind Flayer Lich, now they might just really hate a balor one. :] The player of the gensai is probably not going to be happy that he will rise as a shadow but at least he will not be alone. :] RD [/QUOTE]

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