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<blockquote data-quote="MerakSpielman" data-source="post: 1194421" data-attributes="member: 7464"><p>Because it can be (and has been) argued (but not by me, so don't tear into me too deeply here) that the character does <em>not</em> in fact have a str of 30. He has a Str of 18, and a collection of items that provide different bonuses to said Str. The actual, physical capacity of the character is 18 str. The bonuses provided by the items are not "real" str. Perhaps the character does not even feel or look stronger. He hasn't gone through incredible lengrhs to exercise and gain experience in how muscles slowly develop and work. In effect, the str is there, but not the experience of slowly gaining and learning how to use it. What if the feat "Super Cleave" requires 30 Str, and you get it based on an item. Then you lose the item. The feat "Super Duper Cleave" requires only "Super Cleave" as a prerequisite. Can you take "Super Duper Cleave" even though you no longer meet the requirements for one of its prerequisites? </p><p> </p><p>Frankly, I have trouble agreeing with that arguement, but some people will stick with it to the bitter end.</p><p> </p><p>The arguement I like better is for int and skill points. If you have a headband of intellect, and you gain a level, do you gain additional skill points from the headband? Do you lose these skill points if you take it off? Do you regain them when you put it back on? What if you get a headband, level up and spend the skill points, lose the headband and lose the skill points, then find a <em>different</em> int-increasing item that's only half as good as the headband? Which skill points do you get back?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MerakSpielman, post: 1194421, member: 7464"] Because it can be (and has been) argued (but not by me, so don't tear into me too deeply here) that the character does [i]not[/i] in fact have a str of 30. He has a Str of 18, and a collection of items that provide different bonuses to said Str. The actual, physical capacity of the character is 18 str. The bonuses provided by the items are not "real" str. Perhaps the character does not even feel or look stronger. He hasn't gone through incredible lengrhs to exercise and gain experience in how muscles slowly develop and work. In effect, the str is there, but not the experience of slowly gaining and learning how to use it. What if the feat "Super Cleave" requires 30 Str, and you get it based on an item. Then you lose the item. The feat "Super Duper Cleave" requires only "Super Cleave" as a prerequisite. Can you take "Super Duper Cleave" even though you no longer meet the requirements for one of its prerequisites? Frankly, I have trouble agreeing with that arguement, but some people will stick with it to the bitter end. The arguement I like better is for int and skill points. If you have a headband of intellect, and you gain a level, do you gain additional skill points from the headband? Do you lose these skill points if you take it off? Do you regain them when you put it back on? What if you get a headband, level up and spend the skill points, lose the headband and lose the skill points, then find a [i]different[/i] int-increasing item that's only half as good as the headband? Which skill points do you get back? [/QUOTE]
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