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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Patman21967" data-source="post: 2297798" data-attributes="member: 19260">And I had a 6th level Paladin, who knew he would get smoked if he tried to fight the BBEG hand to hand, but he had to, to let his friends have a chance to get away with 2 dead bodies. They did, and he did, and the GM suprised me. I made up a new character, and we played about 6 months before tackling the same BBEG again, we killed him, and found the skull of my Paladin, partially buried under some rubble.  So he was able to be brought back to fight another day.I used that to make a point. That is the difference in the real world, and our wonderful fantasy adventures. The "Paladin" who does that in the real world, should be revered as a "hero". But, say that Paladin in our example had a means to escape, after his friends did. Does that make him any less a hero, because he did not die? I think saying, to qualify as a hero, you must experience loss and sacrifice and pain is incorrect. I have a guy playing a Dwarven Paragon with 230HP at 13th level right now. His AC, because of allowing him to add Con to AC instead of Dex, is close to 40....<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> can't kill him....but he is the first one to tackle anything threatening to the party, because he is very confident in his abilities...Well, he ran into something he could not hurt...But he did the fight anyway, his fellow party members could retrieve the bodies they were looking for...then they TP'd out...had he not done this, they would not have gotten the bodies of the Kings Children, and been able to get them raised....I say that qualifies, even though he did not die, or get severely wounded....Thanks for listening guys....a really cool thread.</blockquote>

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