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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Janx" data-source="post: 2297951" data-attributes="member: 8835">Getting off into the weeds here, but by Patman's own logic he's basically said his heroic dude that shall not be named due to forum rules, is in effect, not heroic because he knew he'd transcend and do more good.Back on the trail, I'm put off by the assumption that risk=sacrifice.  I'd prefer to keep them seperate.  I think heroes take risks to help others.  I think professional heroes make sacrifices to live a heroic lifestyle.  Some heroes end up making the ultimate sacrifice (which is keyed to the risk of performing each heroic act).Seeing a house on fire, and rushing inside to rescue a kid has high riskAssuming basic success, the sacrifice involved is a few minutes time and some smoke inhalation.Dying while rescuing the kid is sacrificing one's life for another.There's a distinct difference between risk and sacrifice.  They are indeed related, but not the same thing.To put it another way, the ultimate hero is one that has made the ultimate sacrifice for another.That does not preclude some one from being a hero and not sacrificing anything.This difference in risk AND sacrifice are what set the grades of "hero" a person is.In the case of the guy taking a beating from a thug with a vendetta in exchange for a stranger's freedom, he's dumb.  Step one, agree to beating.  Step two, once the hostage is free, beat the crap out of the villain.  Never take lumps for nothing unless you're one of Spartacus' friends.  Playing the whole if game is stupid.  Bad guys will hurt people until their stopped.  Taking a beating for nothing gains nothing. Taking someone's place so they don't get hurt is heroic.  Regretting that you only have one life to give for your country is also heroic.  See the difference.Janx</blockquote>

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