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<blockquote data-quote="Drawmack" data-source="post: 854106" data-attributes="member: 4981"><p>The college students would be doing the work for college credit their payment is their degree. For school I've had to write many programs that were on the same level as what I was getting paid to write in the real world. This is no different. You want to have interns do your writting and editing as well, then more power to you it would definatly increase your profit margin and that is something I never come down on someone for doing.</p><p></p><p>Yes actors guilds do have that, but you do not have to hire guilded actors anymore then you have to hire proven writters. Some of the best products out there were written, at least in a large part, by open call submissions of unpublished authors who are much cheaper then say Monte Cook.</p><p></p><p>You're not giving anyone the shaft. I was suggesting that you find ways to lower the budget and still supply the finished product. You can do this by finding people willing to work cheaper.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm 12 credits from a BSCS and I have been a professional programmer for 5 years. In that time I have developed 3 meta languages of my own. There is no need for this now though you can make it run off of xml. Yes the content has to be seperated from the code. Tell me something, in any <strong>any</strong> well written database application would the ogc be tied in with the code? The only place I can see it being logical to do that is with mathematical formulas and that is easy just put the formula into the database and then pull it back out with a named reference field.</p><p></p><p>Would that not be a programmable character sheet? BTW: I do not use any of those products. I find the downside of being a programmer is that I'm never happy with what other people write. I tried out e-tools extensivly and firmly give it the thumbs down. However when I'm posting things to the boards I'll do up their stats in e-tools just so I can supply the files to others, why can't the pdf publishers do this as well.</p><p></p><p></p><p>With the method that you use I will agree, however if you're making professional pdfs you don't really have a right to complain, or use as an excuse, that you do not have to professional software that allows you to make quality products. That would be like me saying sure I can write your web-site but it'll take a while cause I'm using a 286.</p><p></p><p></p><p>That's not what I was talking about. I mean where you have an explicit cross reference in your material. You really can't use news sites for this, something more like historychannel.com is appropriate. If the book says (see channelor pg 82). Now this reference had to be double and tripple checked many times and with each layout change to make sure the page number was correct. How hard is it to make channelor a link to the appropriate place in the document and avoid all that double checking?</p><p></p><p></p><p>The term is user friendly, I'm sure you're familiar with it. I go to the index and it tells me that nonnymonny can be found on page 82. So I then have to go to page 82 and look it up. If that were a link it would be much more user friendly. The answer to the question is that at first you probably won't see many more sales from it, but over time you would get a reputation for user friendly pdf's once that reputation is established your sales will increase. Look as Bastion press they release superior quality product and charge extra for it, but that doesn't make their sales less then anyone elses.</p><p></p><p></p><p>First of all, I did not demand anything, but I can tell you this your attitude towards the fans, me being one, is going to loose you sales. Did you never have a class in public speaking or public relations at school? </p><p></p><p>So you're claiming $100 profit, when this is not the case</p><p></p><p>You created 1 pdf and make $725 (I'm assuming that this is after you paid for the expenses of creating that pdf.</p><p></p><p>From this pdf you're paying the price of producing two future pdf's. As baseline let's say you sell the same amount so that's $1450 - but your art was already paid for making them earn $1812.50. Now add to that the $100 you kept from the first one. That's an over all profit of $1912.50 on the three products, two of which your first one enabled.</p><p></p><p>A reinvestment of funds is payment. You pay yourself by keeping yourself in business. If you want to play with numbers to make yourself seem poor then do it with someone who hasn't had all the math for a comp sci degree please.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Drawmack, post: 854106, member: 4981"] The college students would be doing the work for college credit their payment is their degree. For school I've had to write many programs that were on the same level as what I was getting paid to write in the real world. This is no different. You want to have interns do your writting and editing as well, then more power to you it would definatly increase your profit margin and that is something I never come down on someone for doing. Yes actors guilds do have that, but you do not have to hire guilded actors anymore then you have to hire proven writters. Some of the best products out there were written, at least in a large part, by open call submissions of unpublished authors who are much cheaper then say Monte Cook. You're not giving anyone the shaft. I was suggesting that you find ways to lower the budget and still supply the finished product. You can do this by finding people willing to work cheaper. I'm 12 credits from a BSCS and I have been a professional programmer for 5 years. In that time I have developed 3 meta languages of my own. There is no need for this now though you can make it run off of xml. Yes the content has to be seperated from the code. Tell me something, in any [b]any[/b] well written database application would the ogc be tied in with the code? The only place I can see it being logical to do that is with mathematical formulas and that is easy just put the formula into the database and then pull it back out with a named reference field. Would that not be a programmable character sheet? BTW: I do not use any of those products. I find the downside of being a programmer is that I'm never happy with what other people write. I tried out e-tools extensivly and firmly give it the thumbs down. However when I'm posting things to the boards I'll do up their stats in e-tools just so I can supply the files to others, why can't the pdf publishers do this as well. With the method that you use I will agree, however if you're making professional pdfs you don't really have a right to complain, or use as an excuse, that you do not have to professional software that allows you to make quality products. That would be like me saying sure I can write your web-site but it'll take a while cause I'm using a 286. That's not what I was talking about. I mean where you have an explicit cross reference in your material. You really can't use news sites for this, something more like historychannel.com is appropriate. If the book says (see channelor pg 82). Now this reference had to be double and tripple checked many times and with each layout change to make sure the page number was correct. How hard is it to make channelor a link to the appropriate place in the document and avoid all that double checking? The term is user friendly, I'm sure you're familiar with it. I go to the index and it tells me that nonnymonny can be found on page 82. So I then have to go to page 82 and look it up. If that were a link it would be much more user friendly. The answer to the question is that at first you probably won't see many more sales from it, but over time you would get a reputation for user friendly pdf's once that reputation is established your sales will increase. Look as Bastion press they release superior quality product and charge extra for it, but that doesn't make their sales less then anyone elses. First of all, I did not demand anything, but I can tell you this your attitude towards the fans, me being one, is going to loose you sales. Did you never have a class in public speaking or public relations at school? So you're claiming $100 profit, when this is not the case You created 1 pdf and make $725 (I'm assuming that this is after you paid for the expenses of creating that pdf. From this pdf you're paying the price of producing two future pdf's. As baseline let's say you sell the same amount so that's $1450 - but your art was already paid for making them earn $1812.50. Now add to that the $100 you kept from the first one. That's an over all profit of $1912.50 on the three products, two of which your first one enabled. A reinvestment of funds is payment. You pay yourself by keeping yourself in business. If you want to play with numbers to make yourself seem poor then do it with someone who hasn't had all the math for a comp sci degree please. [/QUOTE]
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